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Hey everyone and welcome back. Today we're diving into something a little different.

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It's called Clodron. And you guys have sent over a ton of information on this

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articles, documentation, even comparisons to the Fediverse. Yeah. So clearly this

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is more than just another app or software. It seems like a whole different

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way of thinking about the internet. Absolutely. And you've hit the nail on

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the head with that Fediverse mention, but we can circle back to that. For now,

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think about this. Remember the days before app stores? I'm talking about when

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you had to like hunt down apps on a weird website. Oh yeah, and then try to

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install them and hope they didn't like break your phone. Exactly. It was the

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Wild West and then boom, Apple comes along with the app store. Right. And

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suddenly everything's centralized, easy to find, easy to update. Exactly. Clodron

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wants to be the app store, but for your own server. Okay, so for someone who's

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maybe afraid of the word server, because it sounds really technical, what are we

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really talking about here? So in a nutshell, Clodron lets you install and

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manage all sorts of web apps, but on your terms. We're talking about stuff you

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probably use every day, like WordPress. Maybe you want to host your own blog.

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Right. Or GitLab for your code or even rocket.chat for team communication. Okay.

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All these things usually live in the cloud, hosted by someone else, but with

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Clodron they live on your server. So I become my own Google, but cooler. More or

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less, yeah. You're the captain now. You decide what apps are on your server, how

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they're configured. You even get to manage who has access. Okay, I'm liking the

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sound of captain listener name here, but let's break this down because I think a

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lot of people, myself included, hear self-hosting and think, oh that's way too

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technical for me. I can barely set up my Wi-Fi router. Totally understandable and

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to be fair, running a server the traditional way can be a real pain. Right.

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But that's where Clodron tries to be different. It handles a lot of the

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complicated stuff for you, like the initial setup, the security updates, even

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backups. So it's kind of like the difference between, I don't know, building

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a house from scratch versus buying a prefab one. Yeah, that's a great analogy.

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You still get a house, you can still customize it, but you don't have to be a

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master builder to get started. Okay, I'm intrigued, but before we go any further, I

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need a reality check for myself and for our listeners who might be thinking, this

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all sounds great, but why should I even care? Right, why rock the boat, right?

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Exactly. Everyone uses Google, everyone's on social media, why switch things up?

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That's the million dollar question, isn't it? And I think it boils down to this. How

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comfortable are you with your data being in someone else's hands? Okay, so we're

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talking about data privacy here. Exactly, and control. Okay. When you rely on big

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companies for everything, you're essentially trusting them with your

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emails, your photos, your entire digital life. Right, and we all know how careful

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those companies are with our data. And look, I'm not saying every big tech

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company is out to get you, but the reality is they have different priorities.

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Yeah. Their business model relies on collecting and analyzing your data. Okay,

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so with Cloudran, I'm taking back control, becoming the master of my own data

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destiny. Exactly. You're no longer a product, you're the customer, and you get

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to set the rules. I'm liking where this is going, but I have a feeling this is

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just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to Cloudran and what it can do. Oh,

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absolutely. We've just scratched the surface. Okay, so for our listeners who

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are already hooked and want to dive deeper, where should they go? Well, the

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Cloudran website is a great place to start. They've got tons of information,

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documentation, and even a live demo you can play with. Perfect, and be sure to

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check out the show notes for links to all of that. Absolutely, and we'd love to

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hear your thoughts on this. Is self-hosting something you've considered

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before? What are your biggest concerns? Hit us up on social media and let's keep

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the conversation going. Definitely, we want to hear from you. Now, before we get

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completely sidetracked by the ethical implications of data privacy, let's bring

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things back down to earth for a bit and talk about what you actually get with

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Cloudran. What are some concrete examples of apps I could run on this thing? Oh,

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there are tons, and that's actually one of the things that surprised me the most

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when I first started looking into this. Okay. It's not just about the big-name

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apps, you know, like your WordPress or your Nextcloud. There's a whole world of

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open-source software out there that most people have never even heard of, and

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Cloudran makes it dead simple to install and manage. Okay, so paint me a picture.

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What would my digital life look like if I went all in on Cloudran? Give me the

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highlight reel. All right, so let's say you're a productivity junkie, you live and

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breathe, to-do lists, calendars, all that jazz. Okay, I resemble that remark. Well,

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with Cloudran, you can say goodbye to those pesky monthly subscriptions for

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Asana or Trello. Really? Oh yeah, there's a fantastic open source alternative called

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Taiga. It's like Asana, but way more customizable, and it runs flawlessly on

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Cloudran. Okay, so I'm already saving money. Exactly, but it's more than just

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the cost savings. It's about owning your workflow. Okay. Your data isn't being

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bounced around different servers, analyzed, and monetized. Right, right. It's

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all right there on my own little Cloudran server. Precisely, and if you're

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a freelancer or a small business owner, you know how crucial invoicing can be.

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Absolutely, a necessary evil. Well, say hello to Invoice Ninja, another fantastic

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open-source app that lives happily on Cloudran. Okay, so I'm managing projects,

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sending invoices. What else can this magical Cloudran do? Let's talk about fun

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stuff, you know, like streaming movies and music, because who doesn't love a good

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movie night? Right, but I thought we were trying to get away from relying on big

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companies and now you're talking about streaming services. Uh-huh, but that's the

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beauty of Cloudran. You can actually host your own streaming service with an app

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called Jellyfin. Wait, seriously? Yeah, you basically point Jellyfin at your

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media library, whether it's on an external hard drive or even just a folder

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on your computer, and it creates this beautiful Netflix-like interface that

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you can access from anywhere. So I'm in control of the content, I'm in control of

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the quality, and best of all, no ads. Exactly, it's like having your own

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personal Netflix but curated by you for you. Okay, I'm sold. Yeah. But I have to

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ask, what about the technical stuff? I'm not exactly a server wizard. And that's

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okay. That's what makes Cloudran so compelling. Okay. It's designed with us,

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the non-server wizards in mind. Okay, because every time I've ever even

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thought about setting up my own server, it felt like I needed an engineering

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degree. And that's the old way of thinking about it. Cloudran takes care of

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the heavy lifting, the complicated configurations, the security updates, all

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that jazz. So it's like having a personal IT department on call 24-7. Pretty much,

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yeah. And this is where we start to see the real power of Cloudran. It's not just

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about running a few apps, it's about shifting your entire mindset. Okay. How so?

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Well, when you start self-hosting, you start to question everything. Like what?

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Like, why am I giving all my data to these giant corporations? Why am I

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limited by their features and their rules? Right, right. It's about taking back

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control, becoming more than just a passive consumer of technology. Exactly.

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And that's a powerful thing, and it's something that we believe more people

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should be aware of. Absolutely. So we've talked about the benefits of self-hosting,

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the ease of use of Cloudran, but let's be real, there has to be a catch, right? What

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are the downsides? Of course, there are always trade-offs, and I think the

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biggest one with Cloudran is that it's not free. Okay. How much are we talking?

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It depends on the plan you choose, but it's generally a few dollars a month,

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which isn't bad considering you're essentially getting your own little slice

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of the internet. Right, and compared to the cost of multiple sauce subscriptions,

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it might even save you money in the long run. Exactly, and for that price, you're

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not just getting the software, you're getting peace of mind knowing that your

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data is secure and that you're not beholden to some giant corporation. Okay,

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that makes sense, but what about the learning curve? You mentioned it earlier.

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Is it really that easy to use? That's a fair question, and honestly it depends on

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your level of technical expertise. Okay. If you're comfortable with basic command

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line stuff, you'll be up and running in no time, but even if you're not, the

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cloudron community is incredibly helpful. There are tons of tutorials, forums, and

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even a dedicated support team. So it's not exactly plug-and-play, but it's also

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not rocket science. Precisely, and once you get the hang of it, it's actually

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quite empowering. Okay, I'm starting to see the appeal here, but I have to admit

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I'm still a little bit intimidated by the whole server thing. I hear you. It's

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definitely a different way of thinking about technology, but that's what makes

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it so exciting. Okay, I'm willing to keep an open mind, but before we get too far

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ahead of ourselves, let's take a step back and address something you mentioned

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earlier, the Fediverse. Ah yes, the Fediverse. We could spend an entire episode just

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talking about that, but in the context of cloudron, it's important to

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understand that cloudron isn't just about self-hosting, it's about joining a

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movement. A movement towards what? A movement towards a more decentralized

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internet, one where users have more control, more privacy, and more freedom.

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Okay, I'm listening. So the Fediverse is essentially a network of interconnected

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servers, each running different software, but all communicating with each other.

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Okay. Think of it like email. You can send an email from your Gmail account to

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someone with a Yahoo account. Right. Even though you're using different

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providers, the underlying protocol allows you to communicate. Okay, I get it. The

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Fediverse works in a similar way. You can have your own Cloudran server running

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your own apps. Yeah. But you can also connect and interact with other people on

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the Fediverse who are running their own servers. So it's like this whole

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interconnected world of independent servers all talking to each other.

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Exactly. And that's what makes it so powerful. It's a decentralized

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alternative to the walled gardens of Facebook and Twitter. Okay, now it's

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starting to click. So Cloudran isn't just about escaping the clutches of big tech.

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It's about building something new, something better. Exactly. It's about

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taking back control not just of your data but of the entire online experience. I

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like the sound of that. But before we dive headfirst into the Fediverse and

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all its implications, let's take a quick break. Sounds good. We'll be right back

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after these messages. Don't go anywhere. Alright, so we're back and we're trying

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to wrap our heads around this whole Cloudran thing. It sounds amazing in

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theory, but I think I need a little more convincing. Okay, I'm listening. What are

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your biggest concerns? Well, for starters, let's talk about convenience. Sure. I

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mean, Google's not perfect, but they make things pretty darn easy. True. They've

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definitely mastered the art of user experience. Right, so why would I want to

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give up that simplicity, that ease of use to manage my own server? It just seems

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like a lot of work. You're not wrong. There's definitely a trade-off there and

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I think it all comes down to your priorities. Okay, how so? Well, are you

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comfortable with the trade-off that Google and others like them offer? Which

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is convenience for your data. Right, because they're not offering these

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services out of the goodness of their hearts. Exactly, they're in the business

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of data collection and targeted advertising. Okay, so with Cloudran, I'm

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essentially taking back control of my data saying, hey, this is my information

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and I'm not gonna just hand it over without a second thought. Precisely. You

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become the curator of your own digital life. I like that, but what about the

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argument that these companies need our data to improve their services, you know,

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to make things better for everyone? Sure, there's some truth to that. Data can be

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used for good, but the question is at what cost and who gets to decide? That's

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a good point because right now it feels like we, the users, don't really have a

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say in how our data is being used. Exactly, and that's where Cloudran and

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the whole self-hosting movement come in. It's about shifting the balance of power.

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Okay, so less big brother, more individual empowerment. Exactly, you're

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no longer a data point, you're a person with agency and control over your own

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digital destiny. I like the way that sounds, but let's be real, there's still

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the issue of security. A valid concern going. Because, let's face it, I'm not a

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security expert, I can barely remember my own passwords. Sure, most of us aren't

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security experts, and that's okay. But if I'm running my own server, doesn't that

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make me more vulnerable to hackers and data breaches? It's a common

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misconception, but not necessarily true, and this is where Cloud Run really

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shines. Okay, tell me more. Remember how we talked about Cloud Run handling a lot

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of the technical stuff for you? Right, like the setup, the updates, all that.

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Exactly. Well, that includes security too. Okay, how so? So, for starters, Cloud Run

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is built on Debian Linux, which is known for its robust security. Okay, but

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that doesn't mean it's foolproof, right? Of course not, but Cloud Run takes it a

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step further by automatically keeping all your apps up-to-date, including

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security patches. So I don't have to worry about manually and starring updates

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every time there's a new security vulnerability. Exactly. Cloud Run takes

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care of that for you behind the scenes. Okay, that's reassuring, but what about

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things like firewalls and two-factor authentication? Are those complicated to

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set up with Cloud Run? Not at all. Cloud Run has a really user-friendly interface

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for managing all of that. So even someone like me who's not exactly a tech whiz

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can set up a secure server? Absolutely. Cloud Run makes it so much easier than

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you might think. Oh, I'm starting to feel a little more confident about this whole

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self-hosting thing, but what about the social aspect? What do you mean? Well, so

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much of the internet today is about connecting with others, sharing

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experiences, building communities. Can I still do that if I'm self-hosting

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with Cloud Run? Or am I gonna be this isolated island in the vast ocean of the

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internet? That's a great question and it brings us back to something we touched

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on earlier. Federation. Right, the whole interconnected server thing. Exactly. So

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while Cloud Run lets you create your own little corner of the internet, it also

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gives you the tools to connect with others on your terms. Okay, I'm listening.

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Remember how we talked about email being a federated protocol? Yeah, because I can

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send an email from my Gmail to your Yahoo and we're all good. Precisely. Well, the

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Fediverse works in a similar way. You can have your own Cloud Run server with your

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own apps, but you can also communicate and interact with other people on the

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Fediverse who are running their own servers. So it's like this whole

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interconnected network of independent servers all talking to each other.

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alternative to the walled gardens of Facebook and Twitter. Okay, so with Cloud

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Run, I can still be social, still be part of a community, but on my own terms.

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Exactly, you're not limited by the algorithms or the rules of any one

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platform. This is definitely a lot to wrap my head around, but I'm starting to

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see the appeal. It's a paradigm shift, no doubt about it. It sounds like Cloud Run

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is about more than just technology, it's about a different way of thinking about

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the internet. Absolutely, it's about empowerment, ownership, and the freedom to

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create the online experience you want. Okay, I'm intrigued, but before we get too

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far ahead of ourselves, I think it's time to bring things back down to earth a bit.

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Sounds good. For all our listeners who are now thinking, okay, this Cloud Run

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thing sounds amazing, but how do I actually use it? What are some concrete

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examples of what I could do with this platform? Oh, there are tons. It's really

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only limited by your imagination, but let's start with some practical examples

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that might resonate with our listeners. Alright, so let's get practical. What are

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some real-world examples of Cloud Run in action? Let's say you're the ultimate

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productivity guru. Okay. You live and breathe by your to-do lists and project

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management apps. Guilty as charged. Well, kiss those monthly Asana subscriptions

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goodbye. Cloud Run's got you covered with Taiga. Taiga? Yeah, it's like the open

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source cousin of Asana, super powerful, but you host it yourself. So I'm saving

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money and I'm in control of my data. Exactly. No more wondering where your

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tasks are floating around in the cloud. Okay, I'm liking this already, but what

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about invoicing? I'm always scrambling to keep track of invoices and payments.

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Cloud Run's got your back. Check out Invoice Ninja, another fantastic open

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source app that integrates seamlessly. So I could ditch the expensive accounting

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software and keep everything under my own roof. You got it. And here's the best

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part. Since Cloud Run handles the security, you can rest easy knowing your

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financial data is safe and sound. Okay, this is starting to sound too good to be

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true. What's the catch? Honestly, there isn't a major catch. It's more about

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making sure Cloud Run aligns with your needs and your comfort level. Okay, so

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what do I need to consider? Well, first and foremost, are you comfortable with a

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little bit of a learning curve? How much are we talking? Cloud Run has done a

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great job of making things user-friendly, but it's still a step up from using a

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pre-configured service. So I might need to get my hands a little dirty, learn

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some new tricks. Exactly, think of it like this. You're trading in the convenience

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of a rental for the freedom and flexibility of owning your own home. Okay,

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that makes sense, so I need to be prepared to invest some time and effort.

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Precisely, but the payoff is huge. You're no longer limited by the rules and

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restrictions of someone else's platform. Right, right, it's about taking back

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control. Exactly, and that's a powerful feeling, especially in today's digital

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landscape. Okay, I'm convinced, but let's circle back to something we briefly

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touched upon earlier, the Fediverse. Ah, yes, the Fediverse. It's like the holy

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grail of decentralized internet. Okay, break it down for me. What's the

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connection between Cloudran and the Fediverse? So imagine a world where you

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can run your own social media platform, your own chat service, your own

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everything. Okay, that sounds pretty utopian. It's not as far-fetched as you

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might think. The Fediverse is all about interconnected, decentralized services,

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and Cloudran plays a key role in making this vision a reality. How so? Well,

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Cloudran makes it incredibly easy to install and manage apps that are

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compatible with the Fediverse. Things like Mastodon for social networking, or

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PixelFed for photo sharing. Okay, so instead of being stuck in the walled

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gardens of Facebook and Instagram. Exactly, you can join a network of

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interconnected communities all owned and operated by the users themselves. That

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sounds amazing, but is it really realistic? I mean, can the Fediverse

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really compete with the likes of Google and Facebook? That's the million dollar

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question, isn't it? But here's the thing, it's not about competing on their terms.

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Okay. It's about offering an alternative, a different way of thinking about online

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interactions. Okay, so it's less about market share, more about a fundamental

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shift in how we use the Internet. Exactly, and that's what makes Cloudran so

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exciting. It's not just a piece of software, it's a gateway to a more open,

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more Democrat, more user centric Internet. Okay, I'm sold, but I have a feeling this

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is just the beginning of a much larger conversation. Oh, absolutely. We've barely

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scratched the surface. Well, on that note, I think it's time to wrap up this deep

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dive. It's been a pleasure exploring the world of Cloudran with you. Likewise, and

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for our listeners, we hope you found this deep dive informative and thought

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provoking. We encourage you to check out the show notes for links to all the

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resources we mentioned. And as always, we'd love to hear your thoughts. Hit us

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up on social media and let us know what you think about Cloudran, self-hosting,

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and the future of the internet.

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Until next time, stay curious.

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And stay in control.