1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,680 Welcome to the Deep Dive. We take your sources, your notes, all that material, and 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:03,840 really 3 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:08,040 try to pull out the key insights for you. Today we're looking at Console Democracy. 4 00:00:08,040 --> 00:00:13,480 We've got some info from their website and their GitHub code repository. Our goal 5 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:13,720 here 6 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:17,440 is to unpack what this thing actually is, especially if it's new to you. Sort of a 7 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:21,240 beginner's guide, getting straight to the important stuff from the sources you 8 00:00:21,240 --> 00:00:21,400 provided. 9 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,420 And before we really dive in, just a quick shout out to the supporter who made this 10 00:00:24,420 --> 00:00:24,680 Deep 11 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:29,020 Thought possible, Safe Server. They handle software hosting and support digital 12 00:00:29,020 --> 00:00:30,120 transformation, 13 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:35,240 things like hosting this kind of software. You can find more info at www.safeserver.de. 14 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:40,760 Okay, so, Console Democracy. Let's start with the big picture. The material we have 15 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:45,350 really paints it as a pretty complete toolkit for citizen participation, you know, 16 00:00:45,350 --> 00:00:45,960 designed 17 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:50,160 for open, transparent government. They actually call it the most complete citizen 18 00:00:50,160 --> 00:00:51,000 participation 19 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:56,110 tool. The most complete. That's quite a claim. Do the sources give any hints as to 20 00:00:56,110 --> 00:00:57,000 why? Well, 21 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,370 I think it comes down to the range of things it lets people do, which we'll get 22 00:01:00,370 --> 00:01:01,720 into. But maybe 23 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:06,760 the first really key thing the source has stressed is that it's open source. Ah, 24 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:07,880 right. Meaning, 25 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:12,890 free to use, free to modify. Exactly. Not some locked down commercial product. And 26 00:01:12,890 --> 00:01:13,400 that feels 27 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:17,710 pretty central to its whole purpose, doesn't it? Yeah, definitely. If you're aiming 28 00:01:17,710 --> 00:01:18,200 for public 29 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:23,320 participation, making the tool itself open and adaptable makes a lot of sense. The 30 00:01:23,320 --> 00:01:23,640 source has 31 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:28,360 mentioned its public mission is recognized and supported. And it's not just an idea, 32 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:32,530 it's actually out there being used. The material highlights it has been used by 33 00:01:32,530 --> 00:01:34,120 more than 250 cities 34 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:38,840 and organizations all over the world. Over 250, that's significant. It really is. 35 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:39,160 And they give 36 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:43,280 specific examples too. Like where? Madrid, obviously, where it started. But also 37 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:43,720 places 38 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:48,610 like mentioned in Germany, Sao Paulo, in Brazil, Glasgow, in Scotland. Okay, so 39 00:01:48,610 --> 00:01:49,320 major cities, 40 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:54,460 global reach. Yeah. That's just pretty robust, handles complexity, not just a niche 41 00:01:54,460 --> 00:01:55,560 tool. Right. 42 00:01:55,560 --> 00:02:00,410 So yeah, the headline is open source platform used globally, trying to change 43 00:02:00,410 --> 00:02:01,960 citizen engagement. 44 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:06,760 Okay, that's the what and where. So how does it do that? What are the actual 45 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:07,320 features? What 46 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:12,000 does the software let people do? The sources lay out the main functions, kind of 47 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:12,920 the core tools in 48 00:02:12,920 --> 00:02:17,420 the box. First, there are spaces for debate, just, you know, online discussions on 49 00:02:17,420 --> 00:02:18,440 different topics. 50 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:23,960 Standard enough. What else? Then critically, it supports gathering and evaluating 51 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:25,080 citizen proposals 52 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:29,920 so people can submit ideas and those ideas can actually be assessed. Okay, so 53 00:02:29,920 --> 00:02:31,320 beyond just talk, 54 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:36,280 actually putting forward concrete suggestions. Exactly. And then moving towards 55 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:36,840 decisions, 56 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:41,500 it facilitates voting, collective decision making. Formal voting within the 57 00:02:41,500 --> 00:02:42,280 platform. 58 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:45,720 Seems like it, yeah. And there's also participatory budgeting. 59 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:49,080 Ah, that's a big one. Giving citizens a say in where the money goes. 60 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:53,240 A really direct form of influence, yeah. And one more key feature they mention is 61 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:57,160 collaboratively drafting laws or regulations. Wait, really? So people can actually 62 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:57,400 work 63 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:00,840 together on the text of official documents? That's what the source material 64 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:01,400 suggests. 65 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:06,280 So yeah, you can see it covers quite a spectrum. Hmm, yeah. It's not just one thing. 66 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:07,320 It's debate, 67 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:13,200 proposing, budgeting, voting, even drafting text together. That starts to sound 68 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:14,200 like why they might 69 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:19,660 call it most complete. It seems to integrate participation much deeper than say 70 00:03:19,660 --> 00:03:20,520 just a comment 71 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:24,260 section. It definitely aims for a broad range of engagement types. Now, naturally 72 00:03:24,260 --> 00:03:25,000 you might wonder 73 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,420 about the tech side, the sort of under the hood stuff. The sources give a little 74 00:03:28,420 --> 00:03:29,080 glimpse, keeping 75 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:32,930 it fairly high level. Good. Keep it accessible. So we know it's open source. Where 76 00:03:32,930 --> 00:03:33,800 does the code 77 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:39,400 actually live? It's hosted on GitHub, which for anyone unfamiliar, is basically the 78 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:40,200 go-to place 79 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:43,670 for collaborative software development, especially open source projects. That's 80 00:03:43,670 --> 00:03:44,200 where the community 81 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:49,570 works on it. Right. And they mention the license. They do. Aferro GPLv3. Now, this 82 00:03:49,570 --> 00:03:50,840 is kind of 83 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:55,280 important in the open source world. It basically means if you modify the code and 84 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:56,120 use it to provide 85 00:03:56,120 --> 00:04:00,200 a service like a city running its participation website, you generally have to 86 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:00,840 share your 87 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:05,180 modifications back with everyone. Ah, so it reinforces the collaborative aspect. 88 00:04:05,180 --> 00:04:05,480 Yeah. Keeps 89 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:09,630 improvements in the open. Exactly. It prevents someone from just taking it, 90 00:04:09,630 --> 00:04:11,320 improving it privately, 91 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:15,640 and locking those improvements away. And the origin story is interesting, too. It 92 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:16,120 wasn't just 93 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:19,880 cooked up in a lab somewhere. No. Where did it start? The sources say it was 94 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:21,000 originally developed 95 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:28,470 for the Madrid City government e-participation website, specifically decide.madrid.es, 96 00:04:28,470 --> 00:04:28,680 launched 97 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:33,800 back in September 2015. So born from a real world need in a major city. That's a 98 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:34,840 solid grounding. 99 00:04:34,840 --> 00:04:39,400 It is. And it's grown since then. It's now maintained by the open source software 100 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:40,120 community 101 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:43,970 in collaboration with the Consul Democracy Foundation. Okay. So it transitioned 102 00:04:43,970 --> 00:04:44,280 from just 103 00:04:44,280 --> 00:04:48,850 Madrid to a broader community effort with a foundation supporting it. That shows 104 00:04:48,850 --> 00:04:49,720 sustainability. 105 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:53,790 Yeah. And you can see signs of that community activity. The sources mention 145 106 00:04:53,790 --> 00:04:54,760 contributors 107 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:58,840 on GitHub. That's a fair number of people writing code. And things like stars and 108 00:04:58,840 --> 00:04:59,240 forks. 109 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:04,080 What do those numbers mean? They mentioned 1.5k stars and 1.1k forks. Those are 110 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:05,400 GitHub metrics. 111 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:09,880 Stars are basically like bookmarks or shows of appreciation. Forks mean people have 112 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:10,280 copied the 113 00:05:10,280 --> 00:05:15,850 code base often to work on their own version or contribute changes back. So 1.5 114 00:05:15,850 --> 00:05:16,920 thousand stars 115 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:21,670 and over a thousand forks. Yeah. That signals quite a bit of interest in activity 116 00:05:21,670 --> 00:05:22,360 for a project 117 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:26,360 like this. Definitely indicates a living community. And that activity seems ongoing 118 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,320 if you look at the latest news section mentioned in the sources. Right. It seems 119 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:30,040 pretty current. 120 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:35,310 They mention a spring newsletter dated, well dated today actually, May 28th, 2025. 121 00:05:35,310 --> 00:05:35,880 And previous ones 122 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:39,660 too. It shows regular communication. Yeah. And specific updates like a video 123 00:05:39,660 --> 00:05:40,840 recording of 28 124 00:05:40,840 --> 00:05:46,780 April Meetup featuring North Ayrshire in Starlin. So sharing real use cases. What 125 00:05:46,780 --> 00:05:47,240 else stood out 126 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:51,950 from the recent news? Well something really interesting from March 2025. An 127 00:05:51,950 --> 00:05:52,520 announcement 128 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:59,100 of a new project. Open source LLM powered civic assistant. LLM large language model. 129 00:05:59,100 --> 00:05:59,560 Like AI. 130 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:05,080 Exactly. Think conversational AI like chat bots but potentially much smarter. They're 131 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:06,040 exploring 132 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,800 using that kind of tech within this open source civic tool. That's pretty cutting 133 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:10,360 edge for this 134 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:16,920 space. Wow. Okay. Bringing AI into citizen participation tools. That could really 135 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:17,240 change 136 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:23,640 things. Maybe help people understand complex issues or even draft proposals and crucially 137 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:28,120 doing it open source. That transparency is key. Yeah. The news also mentioned some 138 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:28,600 external 139 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:33,640 validation. A digital participation tools rating by an organization called People 140 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:34,360 Powered. And 141 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:40,600 apparently open source wins according to their February 2025 news. That's a nice 142 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:41,160 endorsement 143 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:44,870 reinforces their approach. Definitely. And you also see practical stuff like recent 144 00:06:44,870 --> 00:06:45,240 software 145 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:49,770 releases version 2.3.1 in April 2025 shows the core product is still being 146 00:06:49,770 --> 00:06:51,160 developed plus community 147 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:56,920 events like a console con 25 throwback suggesting they have conferences. So it 148 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:57,960 sounds active 149 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:01,330 evolving and getting recognition. Now for you listening if this sounds like 150 00:07:01,330 --> 00:07:02,040 something you'd 151 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,700 want to explore more. How would you do that based on the sources. They make it 152 00:07:05,700 --> 00:07:06,600 pretty easy to dip 153 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,660 your toes in. You can check out our demo right on their website lets you see an 154 00:07:09,660 --> 00:07:10,360 action without 155 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,410 installing anything. Okay a demo is useful what if you're more technical. Then you 156 00:07:13,410 --> 00:07:14,680 can get the code 157 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:19,700 straight from GitHub dive right in. And for an organization thinking about using it. 158 00:07:19,700 --> 00:07:19,960 The site 159 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:24,090 says you can get started right away with the installation and implementation. Suggest 160 00:07:24,090 --> 00:07:24,520 there's 161 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:28,730 guidance available and naturally they mention ways to support them like become a 162 00:07:28,730 --> 00:07:29,640 sponsor. How 163 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:33,090 about just keeping up with news. You can sign up for the console quarterly 164 00:07:33,090 --> 00:07:34,600 newsletter or follow them 165 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:41,610 on Mastodon or LinkedIn. And direct contact. Yep they list an email dot info at 166 00:07:41,610 --> 00:07:42,520 console foundation 167 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:47,800 dot org. Okay so lots of ways to engage. Pulling this all together then why should 168 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:48,920 you care about 169 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:53,960 console democracy. What's the big takeaway. Well I think it matters because it's a 170 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:54,920 really tangible 171 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:59,990 example of using technology specifically open source tech to try and deepen 172 00:07:59,990 --> 00:08:01,080 democracy. It's not 173 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:04,760 just theory it's being used globally. Yeah it moves beyond just government telling 174 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:05,320 people things 175 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:09,820 online towards actual interaction collaboration even shared decision making. It's a 176 00:08:09,820 --> 00:08:10,760 tool for that. 177 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:16,120 And the open source aspect is crucial. It's built by a community not owned by one 178 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:17,080 company that aligns 179 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,330 with the whole public service mission. It's a different way of building what's 180 00:08:20,330 --> 00:08:21,000 essentially 181 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:25,560 becoming critical digital infrastructure for cities and organizations. Right it's a 182 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:25,880 model 183 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:30,870 for how digital tools could work to make governance more transparent and participatory. 184 00:08:30,870 --> 00:08:31,400 And thinking 185 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:36,300 about that future especially with that LLM project they mentioned. Yes that leads 186 00:08:36,300 --> 00:08:37,240 perfectly to a 187 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:42,170 final thought for you the listener. How might AI especially AI developed openly 188 00:08:42,170 --> 00:08:43,800 like this change 189 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:47,970 how citizens and governments interact down the line. What new possibilities could 190 00:08:47,970 --> 00:08:48,600 it unlock for 191 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:53,480 participation. But also what are the challenges or risks when you bring powerful AI 192 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:53,880 into these 193 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:58,460 civic processes. Especially when the code itself is open for anyone to see and 194 00:08:58,460 --> 00:08:59,800 maybe even misuse. 195 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:03,910 Definitely some big questions there for the future of civic tech. Absolutely lots 196 00:09:03,910 --> 00:09:04,440 to ponder. 197 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:09,240 And one final thank you to our supporter Safe Server their experts in software 198 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:09,880 hosting and 199 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:15,480 digital transformation support. Find out more about them at www.safeserver.de.