1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,040 Everyone, welcome back for another deep dive. 2 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:04,740 Today, we're taking a look at something pretty interesting, 3 00:00:04,740 --> 00:00:06,120 Documenso. 4 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:08,600 It's billed as an open source alternative 5 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:10,240 to things like DocuSign. 6 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:12,380 And before we get too far into it, 7 00:00:12,380 --> 00:00:13,960 just want to give a quick shout out 8 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:15,360 to our sponsor, Safe Server, 9 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:17,000 if you are thinking about making the leap 10 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:18,680 to open source solutions. 11 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:19,880 These are the folks to talk to. 12 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:21,200 They can handle your hosting needs 13 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:23,320 and guide you through that whole 14 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:24,520 digital transformation process. 15 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:28,200 Check them out at www.safeserver.de. 16 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:29,440 Great to be here. 17 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,640 Yeah, so let's talk about signing documents digitally. 18 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:33,480 Yeah. 19 00:00:33,480 --> 00:00:34,560 I mean, you know how it usually goes, right? 20 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:36,720 Scan, print, scan again. 21 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:37,560 It's a whole thing. 22 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:38,400 Yeah, it is. 23 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:40,360 Documenso wants to simplify that. 24 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:43,940 And here's the real like intrigue here. 25 00:00:43,940 --> 00:00:45,360 It's completely open source. 26 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:46,520 You can see the code. 27 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:47,400 You can examine it. 28 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:48,520 Heck, you can even modify it. 29 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:49,360 That's right. 30 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:51,420 Pretty unique for something in the digital signing space. 31 00:00:51,420 --> 00:00:53,380 So I've got some questions about how it all works. 32 00:00:53,380 --> 00:00:55,640 And luckily we have an expert here to walk us through it. 33 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:57,480 Yeah, excited to dive in. 34 00:00:57,480 --> 00:00:59,920 I think what's really fascinating about Documenso 35 00:00:59,920 --> 00:01:02,560 is that it's tackling this really common pain point, 36 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:04,600 like we were just talking about, that clunkiness 37 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:06,040 of traditional digital signing. 38 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,640 And then it's addressing it with a really forward thinking 39 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:10,720 approach using open source technology. 40 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:12,280 OK, I'm all ears. 41 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:14,440 For someone who's never heard of Documenso, 42 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:15,640 what's the elevator pitch? 43 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:17,120 Like, what does it actually do? 44 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,680 So imagine you need to send a contract 45 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:21,400 to a client with Documenso. 46 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,520 You create that document right on the platform. 47 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:24,840 You send it off for signatures. 48 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:27,360 You manage the whole process electronically. 49 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:31,160 No more printing, scanning, chasing down wet signatures. 50 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:34,400 They've really focused on making that whole experience smooth 51 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:37,120 and intuitive, even if you're dealing with multiple signatures 52 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:38,600 or specific signing orders. 53 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:40,640 Sounds way more convenient than what I'm used to. 54 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:42,360 I did see something about a Teams feature, too. 55 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:43,400 What is that all about? 56 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,360 Yeah, so the Teams feature is all about collaboration. 57 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:48,000 So let's say you and your colleagues 58 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,000 are working on a project, and it requires several people 59 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,240 to sign off on documents. 60 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,600 Well, with Documenso Teams, you can 61 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:57,480 create this dedicated workspace where 62 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,200 you can work together on those signing workflows, 63 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:02,880 keep everything organized, ensure those important documents 64 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:04,280 stay secure within your team. 65 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:05,120 OK, that makes sense. 66 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,440 Collaboration is key in any business. 67 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:09,920 Now, I'm always a bit curious about the tech 68 00:02:09,920 --> 00:02:12,000 behind these kinds of platforms. 69 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:13,320 I know a little bit about coding, 70 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:15,480 but I'm definitely not an expert. 71 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:17,040 What is powering Documenso? 72 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:18,920 Is it something I could wrap my head around? 73 00:02:18,920 --> 00:02:20,000 That's a great question. 74 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,000 So Documenso uses what we call a modern tech stack, 75 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:24,400 but don't let that intimidate you. 76 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:26,680 It just means they're using tools and languages 77 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,200 that are known for being efficient and reliable. 78 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,360 They're working with things like TypeScript, Next.js, Prisma, 79 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:33,880 and Tailwind CSS. 80 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:35,380 OK, some of those names ring a bell. 81 00:02:35,380 --> 00:02:37,520 Could you break down what those technologies bring 82 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:38,520 to the table? 83 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,560 What does using Next.js actually mean for the user? 84 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:42,480 Great question. 85 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,960 So Next.js is a framework for building super fast 86 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:47,920 and dynamic applications. 87 00:02:47,920 --> 00:02:50,060 What this means for you as a user 88 00:02:50,060 --> 00:02:53,960 is that Documenso should feel really responsive and quick, 89 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,280 even if you're working with large or complex documents. 90 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:58,960 OK, I'm starting to see the picture here. 91 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:00,440 So it's not just about the features. 92 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,200 It's about how smoothly and quickly those features work, 93 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:03,680 right? 94 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:04,240 Exactly. 95 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,640 And when you combine that with the fact that it's open source, 96 00:03:06,640 --> 00:03:07,640 it gets even more interesting. 97 00:03:07,640 --> 00:03:08,840 OK, the open source thing, that's 98 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:10,260 something I really want to unpack. 99 00:03:10,260 --> 00:03:13,840 I get that it means the code is open for anyone to see. 100 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:15,760 But why is that such a big deal? 101 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:18,320 Wouldn't that make it less secure? 102 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,000 I mean, couldn't someone just slip in some malicious code? 103 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:22,280 That's a common misconception. 104 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:24,560 Open source doesn't automatically mean less secure. 105 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:26,320 In fact, it often means the opposite. 106 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:27,240 Think of it this way. 107 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:28,720 With closed source software, you're 108 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,240 relying on the company to find and fix any security 109 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:32,560 vulnerabilities. 110 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:34,680 But with open source, the code is out there 111 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:36,280 for everyone to scrutinize. 112 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,280 That means more eyes are looking for potential issues, which 113 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,840 leads to faster fixes and a more secure system overall. 114 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,200 So it's like a crowd source security team constantly 115 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:46,200 keeping an eye on things. 116 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:47,240 That's a great way to put it. 117 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:48,920 Plus, you're not relying on blind trust 118 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:52,360 if you have the skills or someone on your team does. 119 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:54,000 You can dive into the code yourself 120 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,640 and verify that it's doing what it's supposed to do. 121 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:58,220 OK, now that is pretty cool. 122 00:03:58,220 --> 00:03:59,920 You're not just taking their word for it. 123 00:03:59,920 --> 00:04:01,480 You can actually see how it all works. 124 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:02,760 Precisely. 125 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,800 And this ties into a quote we found from Nitin Gupta, 126 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:07,520 the COO of Prisma Inc. 127 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:11,180 He said, quote, if I'm confused by any Documensotion, 128 00:04:11,180 --> 00:04:13,080 I can directly read the code to understand 129 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:15,400 what is happening underneath, end quote. 130 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:17,280 That's the beauty of open source. 131 00:04:17,280 --> 00:04:20,980 No more black boxes, just clear, accessible information. 132 00:04:20,980 --> 00:04:23,040 That makes a lot of sense, especially for something 133 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,240 as important as signing legal documents, 134 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,760 that transparency feels really valuable. 135 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,560 So let's say I'm sold on this open source idea. 136 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:32,280 Can I host Documenso myself? 137 00:04:32,280 --> 00:04:32,920 Absolutely. 138 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:33,960 You have options. 139 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:35,460 You can use their hosted solution 140 00:04:35,460 --> 00:04:36,880 if you want the convenience. 141 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,800 Or you can take complete control by hosting it yourself. 142 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:41,160 They offer several methods. 143 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,120 Docker Railway, Render, Koi, Ballestio, 144 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:44,880 each with its own pros and cons, depending 145 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:46,240 on your technical setup. 146 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:49,080 Wow, those are some serious tech terms. 147 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,200 I'm definitely getting the sense that Documenso 148 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,920 is geared towards people who are comfortable with technology. 149 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,040 It definitely appeals to the tech savvy crowd, 150 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:59,240 especially those who value customization and control 151 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:00,480 over their data. 152 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,040 But they're also making efforts to make it accessible 153 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:06,280 to a broader audience with a user-friendly interface 154 00:05:06,280 --> 00:05:08,400 and clear Documensotion. 155 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,480 So even if I'm not a coding whiz, 156 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:12,960 I can still benefit from the security and transparency 157 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:13,900 of Documenso. 158 00:05:13,900 --> 00:05:16,060 That's the goal they're working, to bridge that gap 159 00:05:16,060 --> 00:05:19,520 and make open-source solutions more approachable for everyone. 160 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:20,920 OK, that's encouraging to hear. 161 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:22,720 Now, I'm curious about the future of Documenso. 162 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:24,100 Is it still under development? 163 00:05:24,100 --> 00:05:26,280 Are they actively adding features and improvements? 164 00:05:26,280 --> 00:05:26,960 Absolutely. 165 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:29,480 Documenso is a living, breeding project 166 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:31,480 with a very active community behind it. 167 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,640 They're constantly working on improvements, new features, 168 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:36,960 and making the design even more user-friendly. 169 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:38,880 They even have a template store in the works. 170 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:41,040 Oh, and a template store, that sounds really useful. 171 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:42,080 What will that offer? 172 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,760 Think of it as a library of premade templates 173 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:48,840 for commonly used documents, contracts, invoices, NDAs, 174 00:05:48,840 --> 00:05:49,840 you name it. 175 00:05:49,840 --> 00:05:52,040 It'll be a huge time saver, especially 176 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:55,520 for businesses or freelancers who regularly send out 177 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:56,960 the same types of documents. 178 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:58,240 Wow, they've really thought this through. 179 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,680 This is shaping up to be a pretty impressive platform. 180 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:02,240 So just to recap for our listeners, 181 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,240 we're talking about Documenso, an open-source alternative 182 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:07,640 to traditional digital signing tools. 183 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:11,400 It's transparent, secure, and gives users a lot of control 184 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:12,320 over their data. 185 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,480 Exactly, and they're constantly innovating, 186 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:16,200 adding new features like the Template Store, 187 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,000 and making it easier for people to embrace 188 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:19,200 the open-source world. 189 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:21,240 This is definitely piquing my curiosity. 190 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,440 What else is there to know about Documenso? 191 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:25,920 Let's dive into some of the key features in more detail. 192 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,160 I think you'll be impressed by how much thought they've 193 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:29,920 put into the user experience. 194 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:31,160 Lead the way. 195 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:32,400 I'm ready to learn more. 196 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:35,000 All right, so let's break down some of those key features that 197 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,900 make Documenso so user-friendly. 198 00:06:37,900 --> 00:06:39,520 One of the things that really stands out 199 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:43,240 is the intuitive document creation process. 200 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,880 And what I mean by that is you're not limited to just 201 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:47,040 signing documents. 202 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,520 You can actually create them right within the platform. 203 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:50,520 Oh, that's interesting. 204 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:52,560 So you're not just uploading existing PDFs. 205 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,600 You can actually build documents from scratch. 206 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:56,240 Exactly. 207 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,760 They've built in this really user-friendly editor 208 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:02,200 where you can add text images and even interactive fields, 209 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:04,240 like those signature boxes and check boxes 210 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:05,280 we talked about earlier. 211 00:07:05,280 --> 00:07:06,880 OK, so you've got this blank canvas, 212 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:09,160 and you just start adding the elements you need. 213 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,120 What about those pre-made templates we discussed? 214 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:14,040 Does the document creation tool tie into that at all? 215 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:15,020 Absolutely, it does. 216 00:07:15,020 --> 00:07:16,880 Remember, we talked about that upcoming template store. 217 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:18,460 Well, you'll actually be able to use those templates 218 00:07:18,460 --> 00:07:21,320 as a starting point right within the document creation tool. 219 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,760 So instead of staring at a blank page, 220 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:25,640 I could pull up a template for, say, 221 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:29,480 a standard freelance contract and then just customize it 222 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:31,040 to fit my specific needs. 223 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:31,640 Exactly. 224 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,080 It saves you a ton of time and ensures you're not 225 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,000 forgetting any crucial details. 226 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,680 Plus, those templates will be vetted for legal soundness 227 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:40,400 so you can have more confidence that you're 228 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:41,480 using the right language. 229 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:43,580 That's a huge relief. 230 00:07:43,580 --> 00:07:45,840 I've definitely had moments where I'm like, wait, 231 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:48,720 is this clause worded correctly? 232 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:51,760 It's nice to know there's some built-in legal peace of mind. 233 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,520 Yeah, they've really thought about that whole user journey, 234 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,040 especially for people who might not be legal experts. 235 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:58,760 That's really smart. 236 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,320 OK, so I've created my document and maybe 237 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:02,760 customized a template. 238 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:03,640 What happens next? 239 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,240 How do I actually send it out for signatures? 240 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:07,540 It's super straightforward. 241 00:08:07,540 --> 00:08:09,960 You just enter the recipient's email address, 242 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:13,080 add any relevant information, like their name or role. 243 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:15,120 And then you can personalize the message that 244 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:16,360 goes along with the document. 245 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,240 So it's like sending a regular email, 246 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,760 but with a special Documiso link attached. 247 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:21,320 Precisely. 248 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,080 And from the recipient's perspective, 249 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:24,480 it's equally simple. 250 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:25,360 They click the link. 251 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,000 They review the document and sign it electronically 252 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:29,760 using their computer or even their phone. 253 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:31,720 No need to print, sign, and scan. 254 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:32,440 That's amazing. 255 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:33,860 Remember those days when we'd have 256 00:08:33,860 --> 00:08:35,360 to go through that whole rigmarole? 257 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:36,800 It feels like the Stone Age now. 258 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:37,360 Right. 259 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:40,560 Documenso is all about making that a thing of the past. 260 00:08:40,560 --> 00:08:43,040 And what's really cool is that the whole process 261 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:45,440 is secure and legally sound. 262 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,880 They use a combination of encryption digital certificates 263 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:50,920 and those audit trails we mentioned earlier. 264 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:53,140 OK, security is always a big question mark for me 265 00:08:53,140 --> 00:08:54,760 when it comes to digital tools. 266 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:58,280 I'm always a bit paranoid about someone intercepting my data. 267 00:08:58,280 --> 00:08:59,920 How does Documenso handle that? 268 00:08:59,920 --> 00:09:02,240 Well, first of all, all the data is encrypted, 269 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:04,240 both in transit and at rest. 270 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:06,180 That means it's scrambled and protected, 271 00:09:06,180 --> 00:09:07,840 whether it's being sent back and forth 272 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:09,720 or just sitting on their servers. 273 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,880 And they adhere to all the internationally recognized 274 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,000 standards for electronic signatures, 275 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:19,040 like IIDIS in Europe and the eSign Act in the United States. 276 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,300 So those signatures actually hold up in court, 277 00:09:21,300 --> 00:09:22,960 just like a pen and paper signature. 278 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:24,760 In most cases, yes, of course. 279 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:26,440 As with anything legal, there can 280 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:28,880 be nuances depending on the specific jurisdiction 281 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:30,320 and the type of document. 282 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,640 It's always a good idea to consult with a legal expert 283 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:34,060 if you have any concerns. 284 00:09:34,060 --> 00:09:34,560 Good point. 285 00:09:34,560 --> 00:09:37,640 Now, one thing I really appreciate about Documenso 286 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:39,440 is the focus on collaboration. 287 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:41,220 We touched on the Teams feature. 288 00:09:41,220 --> 00:09:43,680 But could you delve a little deeper into how it works? 289 00:09:43,680 --> 00:09:44,320 Of course. 290 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,720 Think like a shared workspace within Documenso. 291 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:50,480 You can create teams with your colleagues or clients, 292 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,160 and then you manage document workflows collaboratively. 293 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:56,420 So instead of setting documents back and forth via email, 294 00:09:56,420 --> 00:09:59,360 everyone involved has access to the same platform 295 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,120 and can see the progress in real time. 296 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:01,800 Exactly. 297 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:04,640 You can assign roles and permissions, share templates, 298 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:06,260 and track the status of documents 299 00:10:06,260 --> 00:10:08,600 as they move through the signing process. 300 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,040 It streamlines communication and keeps 301 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:12,500 everyone on the same page. 302 00:10:12,500 --> 00:10:13,800 That sounds like a lifesaver, especially 303 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:16,240 when you're working on projects with multiple stakeholders. 304 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:18,260 It's a game changer for teamwork, for sure. 305 00:10:18,260 --> 00:10:21,080 And it all ties back to that core idea of transparency 306 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:22,880 and control that we discussed earlier. 307 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:23,380 Right. 308 00:10:23,380 --> 00:10:25,840 It's not just about making signing documents easier. 309 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:29,040 It's about creating a more open and efficient way 310 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:30,640 to work together. 311 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:32,920 Now, we've talked a lot about the benefits for businesses 312 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:35,720 and teams, but what about individuals? 313 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,000 Does Documenso have something to offer for people 314 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:39,560 who aren't running a company? 315 00:10:39,560 --> 00:10:40,280 Absolutely. 316 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:43,080 One feature that's particularly useful for individuals 317 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,120 is the public profile. 318 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,880 It's almost like a digital storefront for your documents. 319 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:48,880 OK, I'm intrigued. 320 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:49,920 Tell me more about that. 321 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,080 With the public profile, you can create 322 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,480 this professional presence on Documenso 323 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:57,000 and showcase pre-made templates for documents 324 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:58,280 you frequently use. 325 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:00,400 Let's say you're a landlord, and you need your tenants 326 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:02,080 to sign a lease agreement. 327 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,760 You can upload a template to your public profile 328 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:06,840 and then easily share a link with your tenants 329 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,240 they don't even need to create an account to access 330 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:10,400 and sign the document. 331 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:11,920 That's incredibly convenient. 332 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:13,920 It simplifies the whole process and adds 333 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:15,520 a level of professionalism, especially 334 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:17,160 if you're working with people you don't know well. 335 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:17,800 Exactly. 336 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:21,280 It builds trust and streamlines the entire signing experience. 337 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:24,080 I'm seeing more and more how Documenso has really 338 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:27,320 thought about the needs of a wide range of users. 339 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:29,840 It's not just a one size fits all solution. 340 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,240 It's designed to be flexible and adaptable. 341 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:35,500 And remember, it's all backed by the power of open source. 342 00:11:35,500 --> 00:11:36,080 Right. 343 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,600 Transparency, security, and customization. 344 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:40,720 Those are some pretty compelling advantages. 345 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,160 Now, I'm wondering about integration with other tools. 346 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,720 Is Documenso like a standalone platform, 347 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,360 or can it play nicely with other software I might be using? 348 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:49,360 That's a great question. 349 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,920 And it's something Documenso has clearly considered. 350 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,040 They offer several integration options, 351 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:56,880 including Zapier webhooks and a robust API. 352 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:58,000 OK, break that down for me. 353 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,000 What does that actually mean for someone who's not a tech whiz? 354 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,160 Essentially, it means you can connect Documenso 355 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:04,680 with a variety of other tools you 356 00:12:04,680 --> 00:12:09,060 might be using, like your CRM, your email marketing platform, 357 00:12:09,060 --> 00:12:11,120 or even your project management software. 358 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,300 So instead of having to juggle multiple platforms 359 00:12:13,300 --> 00:12:15,280 and manually transfer data, it all 360 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:17,720 flows smoothly between different systems. 361 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:18,440 Exactly. 362 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:20,280 It streamlines your workflows and keeps 363 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,360 all your important information connected. 364 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:24,560 For example, let's say you use a CRM 365 00:12:24,560 --> 00:12:26,600 to manage your client relationships. 366 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:28,200 You could set up an integration so 367 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:31,280 that whenever a new client is added to your CRM, 368 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:33,060 a welcome letter is automatically 369 00:12:33,060 --> 00:12:36,280 generated and sent through Documenso for signature. 370 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:37,920 Wow, that's impressive. 371 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,080 It's like having a virtual assistant handling 372 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:41,720 all the tedious paperwork. 373 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:44,240 It really does automate a lot of the manual tasks 374 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:45,280 that can bog you down. 375 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:47,200 And because they're using open standards 376 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:50,280 like Zapier and Webhooks, you have a lot of flexibility 377 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,720 in terms of which tools you can connect to Documenso. 378 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:55,380 That opens up a lot of possibilities. 379 00:12:55,380 --> 00:12:58,560 It feels like they're really building an ecosystem, not just 380 00:12:58,560 --> 00:13:00,100 a standalone platform. 381 00:13:00,100 --> 00:13:02,560 I'm starting to see why people are so excited about Documenso. 382 00:13:02,560 --> 00:13:04,440 It's definitely an exciting development 383 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:06,120 in the world of digital documents 384 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:07,560 and open source software. 385 00:13:07,560 --> 00:13:11,000 Now, I know we've touched on the technical aspects of Documenso. 386 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:14,520 But could we dig a little deeper into the technology behind it? 387 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:16,320 I'm curious to know what makes it tick. 388 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:17,080 Absolutely. 389 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:19,280 Let's peel back the layers and take a closer look 390 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:20,840 at what's going on under the hood. 391 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:22,320 Lead the way. 392 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:23,700 I'm ready for a little tech talk. 393 00:13:23,700 --> 00:13:25,920 So as we mentioned earlier, Documenso 394 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,840 is built on what we call a modern tech stack. 395 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,440 Now, that might sound intimidating to certain people, 396 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:32,600 but it really just means that they're 397 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:34,080 using tools and technologies that 398 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,040 are known for their performance, security, and efficiency. 399 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:38,280 OK, that makes sense. 400 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:40,760 So what are some of the key technologies they're using? 401 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:42,960 I'm familiar with some basic coding concepts, 402 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:44,760 but I'm definitely not a developer. 403 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:45,320 No worries. 404 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:47,040 I'll try to keep it simple. 405 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,560 One of the core technologies is TypeScript. 406 00:13:49,560 --> 00:13:52,760 Think of it as a supercharged version of JavaScript. 407 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:56,400 It helps developers write cleaner code and catch errors 408 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:58,820 early on, which ultimately leads to a more 409 00:13:58,820 --> 00:14:00,800 stable and reliable platform. 410 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,560 So it's like having a safety net built into the coding process. 411 00:14:03,560 --> 00:14:04,240 Exactly. 412 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:05,920 It helps prevent those pesky bugs that 413 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,200 can cause problems down the line. 414 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:09,880 Now, another key piece of the puzzle 415 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:14,240 is Next.js, which is a framework for building web applications. 416 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:16,280 It's known for its speed and performance. 417 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:19,280 So you can expect Documenso to be pretty snappy, 418 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:21,720 even if you're dealing with complex documents. 419 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:25,920 OK, speed is definitely a plus when it comes to digital tools. 420 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:27,900 I hate waiting for things to load. 421 00:14:27,900 --> 00:14:28,400 Yeah. 422 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:29,400 What about the database? 423 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:31,840 How is all that data being stored and managed? 424 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:33,920 They're using a tool called Prisma, 425 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:37,440 which is an ORM that stands for Object Relational Mapper. 426 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,280 Don't worry too much about the technical jargon. 427 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:42,720 But essentially, it helps the application 428 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:44,600 communicate with the database in a really 429 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:46,340 efficient and secure way. 430 00:14:46,340 --> 00:14:48,800 It's like having a translator between the code 431 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:50,600 and the database, making sure they understand 432 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:51,980 each other perfectly. 433 00:14:51,980 --> 00:14:53,040 That makes sense. 434 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,320 So it's all about streamlining those behind-the-scenes 435 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:57,800 processes to make the user experience 436 00:14:57,800 --> 00:14:59,520 as smooth as possible. 437 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:01,040 What about the visual side of things? 438 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:03,960 How do they achieve that clean and modern look? 439 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,280 For that, they're using Tailwind CSS, which 440 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:09,160 is a utility-first CSS framework. 441 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:10,900 It's a bit of a mouthful, but basically, it 442 00:15:10,900 --> 00:15:13,420 helps developers style elements quickly and efficiently, 443 00:15:13,420 --> 00:15:15,880 leading to a consistent and visually appealing design 444 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:17,880 across the entire platform. 445 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:19,960 So they're using all these different tools 446 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,600 to create a platform that's not only functional and secure, 447 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:27,080 but also looks great and is easy to use. 448 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:29,240 I'm starting to get a real appreciation 449 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:31,640 for the thought and effort that goes into building something 450 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:33,000 like Documenso. 451 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,280 Yeah, it's definitely a complex undertaking, 452 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:37,560 but they seem to be doing a great job of balancing 453 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:40,200 those technical aspects with the user experience. 454 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:42,600 Now, we've talked a lot about the technology and features, 455 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:44,700 but one thing that keeps coming back to me 456 00:15:44,700 --> 00:15:48,640 is the open source nature of Documenso. 457 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:50,640 I'm really intrigued by that whole concept. 458 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:52,560 Can you remind us why that's such a big deal? 459 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:53,640 Absolutely. 460 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:56,520 Being open source means that the code is publicly 461 00:15:56,520 --> 00:16:00,280 available for anyone to see, examine, and even modify. 462 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:02,960 This has some pretty significant implications. 463 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,440 First of all, it promotes transparency. 464 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:07,160 You're not just taking their word for it, 465 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:08,960 that the platform is secure and reliable. 466 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:11,520 You can actually see the code for yourself and verify it. 467 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:13,920 So it's like having a window into the inner workings 468 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:15,160 of the platform. 469 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:15,880 Exactly. 470 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:17,760 No more black boxes. 471 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:20,320 And that transparency also fosters collaboration 472 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,080 developers from all over the world 473 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:23,760 can contribute to the project, helping 474 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:27,200 to improve features, fix bugs, and enhance security. 475 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,440 So it's like having this global team 476 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,000 of experts constantly working to make the platform better. 477 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:33,240 Precisely. 478 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,120 And because it's open source, you also 479 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:36,600 have a lot more control. 480 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:38,560 You're not locked into a specific vendor 481 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,600 or forced to rely on their updates and support. 482 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,300 If you have the technical skills you can host, 483 00:16:44,300 --> 00:16:47,920 Documenso yourself, customize it to your heart's content, 484 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,240 and even create your own version of the platform. 485 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:51,640 Wow, that's pretty empowering. 486 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:53,520 It feels like a completely different approach 487 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:55,600 to software development and distribution. 488 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:57,800 It is, and it's an approach that's gaining momentum 489 00:16:57,800 --> 00:16:58,760 in many industries. 490 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,440 People are realizing the value of open source, 491 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:03,080 not just from a technical perspective, 492 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,440 but also in terms of ethics and community. 493 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:07,520 I'm seeing that the more we talk about Documenso, 494 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:09,720 the more I'm sensing that it's not just about signing 495 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:11,640 documents, it's about this bigger shift in how 496 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:12,840 we think about technology. 497 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:14,760 If you hit the nail on the head, it's about collaboration, 498 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:17,800 transparency, and giving users more control over the tools 499 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:18,600 they use. 500 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:20,320 Now, you mentioned earlier that Documenso 501 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:22,200 has a very active community behind it. 502 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:23,940 Can you tell us more about that community 503 00:17:23,940 --> 00:17:26,320 and how it contributes to the platform? 504 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:30,200 The Documenso community is this vibrant hub of users, 505 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,200 developers, and open source enthusiasts 506 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:34,880 who are passionate about the project. 507 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:36,560 They connect on platforms like Discord. 508 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,600 They share ideas, ask questions, help each other out, 509 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:41,880 and even contribute to the development of the platform. 510 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:43,280 So it's like a collective brain trust 511 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:45,520 constantly working to improve Documenso. 512 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:46,680 That's a great way to put it. 513 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:50,520 And the Documenso team really values that community input. 514 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:53,480 They're constantly listening to feedback suggestions 515 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,480 and even contributions from the community. 516 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,720 It's amazing to see how open source can bring people together 517 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,400 to create something truly innovative and impactful. 518 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:02,120 It really is. 519 00:18:02,120 --> 00:18:03,620 And it's not just about writing code. 520 00:18:03,620 --> 00:18:07,000 It's about building the shared vision for a better future. 521 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:08,640 This has been a fascinating deep dive 522 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:10,000 into the world of Documenso. 523 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:13,280 I'm honestly blown away by how much they've achieved 524 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:14,800 with this open source platform. 525 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:18,260 It's superior user friendly and incredibly versatile. 526 00:18:18,260 --> 00:18:18,760 I agree. 527 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:19,920 They've really thought of everything. 528 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:21,480 And the fact that they're constantly 529 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:24,840 evolving and adding new features makes it even more impressive. 530 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:25,400 Definitely. 531 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:26,920 And a big thank you to Safe Server 532 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,960 for supporting this deep dive into Documenso. 533 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:31,880 For listeners who are interested in learning more 534 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:35,140 about Documenso or exploring open source solutions 535 00:18:35,140 --> 00:18:37,440 for their own needs, I highly recommend 536 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:43,000 checking out Safe Server's website at www.sateserver.de. 537 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,120 They can help you navigate the world of open source 538 00:18:45,120 --> 00:18:47,920 and guide you through the digital transformation process. 539 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:51,320 It's been a pleasure diving deep into Documenso with you today. 540 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:53,560 Hopefully our listeners now have a better understanding 541 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:55,560 of what makes this platform so unique 542 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:57,720 and why it's generating so much excitement. 543 00:18:57,720 --> 00:18:58,680 Absolutely. 544 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,180 And if you're as intrigued by Documenso as we are, 545 00:19:01,180 --> 00:19:02,880 we encourage you to check out their website 546 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:04,760 and explore the platform for yourself. 547 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,120 You might be surprised by what you discover. 548 00:19:07,120 --> 00:19:09,080 That's all for this episode of The Deep Dive. 549 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,200 We'll see you next time for another exploration 550 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,080 of the ideas shaping our world.