1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,480 Hey everyone welcome back seems like you are really ready to jump into open source video 2 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:13,440 conferencing and we've got a ton of we've got articles case studies even some like futuristic 3 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:16,720 ideas about where virtual interaction is headed. 4 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:21,120 You know it's really interesting to me like the common thread I see in what you've given 5 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:26,160 us is this real like need for control and transparency you know it's almost as if you're 6 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:30,640 saying I want to know how my tools work and I want to be able to change them if I need 7 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:31,640 to. 8 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:35,360 Yeah it's like choosing to build your own furniture instead of buying something pre 9 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:38,640 made it might take a little more work a little more effort but the end you've got something 10 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:42,600 that's uniquely yours that you know is really perfect for what you need so let's unpack 11 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:46,360 this whole open source advantage a little bit especially when we're talking about something 12 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,260 as important as you know video conferencing. 13 00:00:49,260 --> 00:00:53,800 Imagine using video conferencing where anybody can just look at the code they can change 14 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:59,580 it they can even share it that is open source and that transparency is really important 15 00:00:59,580 --> 00:01:04,360 when we're thinking about things like privacy and security because it means that you know 16 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:09,440 there's this constant review like having a thousand security experts constantly checking 17 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:12,480 for back doors checking for vulnerabilities. 18 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:17,080 Yeah it makes me think about that GZEVD case study that we saw you know they switched over 19 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:21,520 to big blue button and the main reason data privacy they wanted to know exactly where 20 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:26,260 their data was who had access to it to be in complete control yeah and it's not just 21 00:01:26,260 --> 00:01:30,760 about you know keeping things safe and secure but open source allows you to customize things 22 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:35,120 in a way that you just can't with some of their platforms you need a very specific feature 23 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:38,920 well someone can build it or you could build it and you can integrate it it's like yeah 24 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:44,780 constantly being able to reshape your digital workspace and we see that with a lot of platforms 25 00:01:44,780 --> 00:01:50,040 especially big blue button ah big blue button what's fascinating about big blue button is 26 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:53,860 that it started in education and that's really important right because it's baked into how 27 00:01:53,860 --> 00:01:59,920 it works classrooms need engagement right they thrive on participation and big blue button 28 00:01:59,920 --> 00:02:03,960 really reflects that okay so it's more than just video and chat then I'm intrigued way 29 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:07,860 more this isn't about just taking a physical class when putting it online we're talking 30 00:02:07,860 --> 00:02:12,780 about taking those dynamics that energy and enhancing it so yeah we've got interactive 31 00:02:12,780 --> 00:02:16,840 whiteboards we've got breakout rooms for those smaller group discussions tools that are really 32 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:22,900 meant to keep students engaged and you know make learning active and it's clearly something 33 00:02:22,900 --> 00:02:26,640 that works beyond the classroom too I mean did you see that stat about big blue button 34 00:02:26,640 --> 00:02:32,800 usage in Germany during the pandemic over a million daily users it seems like when people 35 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:37,400 needed a platform that was you know reliable that had all the features they needed they 36 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:43,120 turn to this it really shows you that people are looking for solutions that put them first 37 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:47,460 not profit so we're not just talking about recreating a classroom online we're talking 38 00:02:47,460 --> 00:02:52,120 about bringing those same ideas of participation and engagement into a digital space but how 39 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:56,140 about we get a little practical we've talked about the open source advantage and how big 40 00:02:56,140 --> 00:03:00,240 blue button is doing things a bit differently but you also pointed out a lot of other platforms 41 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:05,480 too it's like we've got this I don't know a buffet of options here it is a lot and just 42 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:10,920 like a buffet the key is to choose what works best for you you know what you've gathered 43 00:03:10,920 --> 00:03:14,960 really lays out a clear way to think about this it's like a decision tree to help you 44 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:18,960 choose the right platform all right so what's the first branch we should be looking at on 45 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:24,480 this tree first thing to ask is what are you really using this for how big are these meetings 46 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:29,160 and what are you actually doing if it's just a quick chat something small and casual then 47 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:34,560 platforms like Jitsi meet or Copano meet even next cloud talk those are great they're all 48 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:38,800 about being easy to use and they often work right alongside your chat apps right it's 49 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:42,920 like okay we need to talk about this face to face and boom you're right there video chatting 50 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:47,240 without any hassle exactly but then you start thinking about things that are a bit more 51 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:52,880 structured like imagine you're running a workshop online or you need to do some training or 52 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:59,000 you need to be in control of how it all flows that's where big blue button with its features 53 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:03,600 starts to shine right like having a whole toolbox ready to go to make sure everyone 54 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:09,480 is engaged and you know that things are actually productive you know I really liked that big 55 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:15,640 blue button has this whole role-based system it's not just a free-for-all chat it's clear 56 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:20,360 who's in charge who's a participant and that's really important that clarity especially when 57 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:24,280 you're trying to get things done whether it's in a classroom or a business meeting the moderator 58 00:04:24,280 --> 00:04:28,680 can mute people if they need to control who's sharing their screen even split everyone up 59 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:33,480 into smaller groups for more focused discussions it just brings a level of organization that 60 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:37,840 a lot of those other tools don't have it's like i don't know the difference between having 61 00:04:37,840 --> 00:04:41,800 a casual conversation in a coffee shop and a serious board meeting sometimes you need 62 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:47,080 that structure right okay so you know me i love to get a little technical and something 63 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:52,320 i kept seeing throughout all of this research was this html5 what's so special about that 64 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:58,020 especially with big blue button oh great question big blue button going to html5 was huge not 65 00:04:58,020 --> 00:05:02,320 just for them but for how we do video conferencing on the web before you used to need all these 66 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:07,200 plugins and downloads and it was a pain not to mention the security risks html5 meant 67 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,840 that all of a sudden you could just use your browser no downloads no extra stuff just pure 68 00:05:10,840 --> 00:05:15,480 simple connection so it's not just the features themselves it's the tech underneath that makes 69 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:21,080 them possible it's like building a house on solid ground versus you know something much 70 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:26,500 less stable but i want to look ahead a bit your research takes us into some pretty futuristic 71 00:05:26,500 --> 00:05:31,720 stuff about where video conferencing might be going and what a future we see more and 72 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:36,320 more signs that we're moving beyond these flat screens into actual virtual environments 73 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:41,120 imagine instead of just seeing your co-workers through a webcam you're right there with them 74 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:45,800 in a virtual space wait we're talking full-on vr meetings now like i put on a headset and 75 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:49,880 suddenly i'm in a meeting room with people from all over the world yeah and there are 76 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:56,040 already platforms pushing the boundaries with this stuff like vr chat and alt space vr instead 77 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:59,960 of a crowded auditorium you're attending a product launch in a massive virtual space 78 00:05:59,960 --> 00:06:04,840 overlooking an ocean you can walk around brainstorm with your team in 3d it's a whole different 79 00:06:04,840 --> 00:06:08,760 ball game okay a part of me still thinks this is like straight out of some sci-fi movie but 80 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:14,280 i've got to admit it's pretty cool but how realistic is this are we anywhere close to 81 00:06:14,280 --> 00:06:19,800 vr meetings becoming the norm that's the big question right and while vr tech is definitely 82 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:24,280 getting better all the time there are still challenges like those good headsets they're 83 00:06:24,280 --> 00:06:28,600 still really expensive for a lot of people and not everyone loves the idea of wearing 84 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:32,760 a screen on their face plus there's a whole learning curve there right like figuring out 85 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:36,680 how to move around in virtual spaces how to interact with these avatars it's a whole new 86 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:41,720 way of communicating that not everyone might be ready for yet but i think the big takeaway 87 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:47,400 here even if vr is still a bit off is that there are so many more options than just those big 88 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:52,280 platforms everyone knows about your research showed us that there is this whole world of 89 00:06:52,280 --> 00:06:57,400 open source solutions out there each with its own pros and cons and best uses it's really amazing 90 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:02,280 to see how many different paths there are and with open source you're not limited to just one you can 91 00:07:02,280 --> 00:07:06,840 really create a setup that's perfect for you and you know what you believe in absolutely yeah you 92 00:07:06,840 --> 00:07:10,760 know something else that really caught my eye especially when we start thinking about bigger 93 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:16,280 events like webinars conferences things like that i mean it's one thing to have a video call with a 94 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:21,480 few people but when you're talking about hundreds thousands that's got to be a whole different ball 95 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:26,200 game right oh yeah for sure when you've got a big audience like that you need a totally different 96 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:31,880 approach and that's where that rtmp streaming comes in it's what makes those really smooth 97 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:37,400 live broadcasts possible the kind you see on youtube or twitch okay so remind me what exactly 98 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:42,440 is rtmp streaming and why is it so important here so let's say you're doing a live webinar 99 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:48,600 people watching from all over rtmp which stands for real-time messaging protocol basically takes 100 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:54,680 that live video and audio from your computer sends it to a server and then that server makes 101 00:07:54,680 --> 00:08:00,760 sure everyone watching gets it without any lag or interruptions even with a ton of people watching 102 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:05,160 it's smooth so it's like you're running your own tv station right from your computer but what's 103 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:09,800 really cool is that you don't need some fancy expensive software for this you mentioned obs 104 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:16,520 which is what completely open source right exactly obs or open broadcaster software it's amazing 105 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:21,320 it's like a professional level tool for streaming and recording and anyone can use it for free you 106 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:25,160 can add your camera record your screen you can even switch between different scenes and stuff just 107 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:29,880 like a pro it's mind-blowing when you think about it the same tools that these big broadcasters use 108 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:34,840 are available to anyone but it's bigger than just the tools isn't it it's about what open source 109 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:40,360 represents breaking down those barriers you know giving people the power to do these things 110 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:44,360 themselves and encouraging everyone to work together that's what's so exciting about it 111 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:48,920 it's not just about finding something that works it's about joining this whole community seeing 112 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:54,120 what's possible and shaping how we connect with each other in the future so to wrap things up for 113 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:59,160 our listeners who are as fascinated by this world of open source video conferencing as we are 114 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:03,560 it seems like you're not just looking for a quick fix you want something better something you can 115 00:09:03,560 --> 00:09:09,000 control and there are so many options out there from something as simple as jitsi meat to the 116 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:15,880 power of big blue button and education to even vr and rtmp streaming the future of how we connect 117 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:21,960 is up to all of us and as we've seen that future is all about flexibility adapting to new technology 118 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:27,960 and a real push for transparency security and putting users first it's exciting to think about 119 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:32,920 what we might come up with next i completely agree we'll leave you all to think about that whether 120 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:37,800 you're just starting with open source or you're ready to dive head first into vr it's all there 121 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:43,720 waiting for you until next time keep exploring keep asking those questions and keep diving deep