1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,840 Okay, so you've probably heard people talking about this place, Holstmark 25, right? 2 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:07,720 Yeah, it's been popping up all over the place. 3 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:13,920 It's like this mysterious spot in Berlin that everyone says you have to see, but what is it really? 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:15,360 Right, like what's the big deal? 5 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:17,080 That's what we're going to find out in this deep dive, right? 6 00:00:17,080 --> 00:00:18,640 What makes Holstmark what it is? 7 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:21,920 Yeah, Holstmark 25 is not like your average tourist spot. 8 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,960 It's more like, you know, when you wander off the beaten path and stumble on something amazing? 9 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:26,560 Yeah, yeah. 10 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:27,920 Like a hidden village or something. 11 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:29,360 Right in the middle of the city. 12 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:30,800 Okay, I'm intrigued. 13 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:35,320 But before we get ahead of ourselves, I'm curious about the name Holstmark. 14 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:36,840 Like, what's the story there? 15 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:39,200 Oh, it's German. 16 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:40,120 I figured as much. 17 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:41,280 It means timber market. 18 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:42,560 Timber market, okay. 19 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,240 So was this place once like a lumber yard or something? 20 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:46,400 Yeah, way back when. 21 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:47,760 That's exactly what it was. 22 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:50,400 A bustling hub for the timber trade. 23 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:53,240 But hold on, because it doesn't stop there. 24 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:54,760 Oh, there's more. 25 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:55,640 Oh, yeah. 26 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,760 This plot of land has seen a lot of changes over the years. 27 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,120 It went from a timber market to a gasworks. 28 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:02,120 Can you believe that? 29 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:02,880 No. 30 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:06,840 And then, get ready for this, it became a dumping ground. 31 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:08,000 Oh, wow. 32 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,320 And if that's not enough, it even housed a legendary 33 00:01:11,320 --> 00:01:13,360 Techno Club Bar 25. 34 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:15,560 Talk about a wild ride. 35 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:19,160 From a neglected industrial site to a cultural hotspot, 36 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:21,680 how did this transformation even happen? 37 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:23,720 Well, after the Berlin Wall came down, 38 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:25,800 the city was full of these empty spaces, right? 39 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:26,640 Yeah. 40 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:28,600 And people were just itching to do something with them. 41 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:31,240 So instead of big developers coming in and throwing up 42 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:31,960 condos. 43 00:01:31,960 --> 00:01:32,440 Exactly. 44 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,360 People were like, we can make this place our own. 45 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:37,800 This movement emerged called interim use, 46 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,040 where people would start these temporary projects 47 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:42,520 in abandoned buildings and vacant lots. 48 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:44,800 So it was a way of reclaiming the city. 49 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:45,320 Yeah. 50 00:01:45,320 --> 00:01:47,280 And Holds Mark 25 is a perfect example 51 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:49,720 of how something temporary can turn into something 52 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:51,400 really special and permanent. 53 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:53,440 It's amazing how these grassroots movements 54 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:55,600 can have such a lasting impact. 55 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,360 So are you saying that Holds Mark wouldn't exist 56 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:00,400 if it weren't for this interim use thing? 57 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:02,400 Well, there's no saying for sure, 58 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,040 but it definitely played a huge role. 59 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,160 See, there were actually these massive development 60 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:10,440 plans for this spree riverfront called Media Spree. 61 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,400 But the locals, they weren't having it. 62 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,120 They saw it as this top-down approach that would 63 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:17,120 strip the area of its character. 64 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,640 Yeah, I can see why people would push back against that. 65 00:02:19,640 --> 00:02:21,360 So they fought back. 66 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:22,280 I bet they did. 67 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:23,400 And I'm guessing they didn't want 68 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:25,160 to see it turned into another shopping mall. 69 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:26,080 You got it. 70 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:27,740 They wanted something different, something 71 00:02:27,740 --> 00:02:29,720 that reflected their values. 72 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,080 And that's where the story of the cooperative 73 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,040 begins, the heart and soul of Holtzmart. 74 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:37,000 OK, we've got this prime location 75 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:38,920 on the Spree, a community passionate 76 00:02:38,920 --> 00:02:40,800 about shaping its future. 77 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,560 And now this cooperative enters the scene, right? 78 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:44,780 This feels important. 79 00:02:44,780 --> 00:02:46,280 It's huge, this cooperative. 80 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:49,040 It's called the Genozen Shaft for Urbane Creativity, 81 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:50,280 or Gouquet for short. 82 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:50,960 Gouquet. 83 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:51,920 It's a mouthful, I know. 84 00:02:51,920 --> 00:02:52,800 What does it mean? 85 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,160 Cooperative for urban creativity. 86 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:56,940 And it's more than just a name. 87 00:02:56,940 --> 00:02:58,260 It's a way of life. 88 00:02:58,260 --> 00:03:01,920 So it's not just about renting a space to the highest bidder. 89 00:03:01,920 --> 00:03:03,800 This is about shared ownership. 90 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:04,720 Exactly. 91 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:07,320 It's about people coming together, entrepreneurs, 92 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,600 artists, residents, all pooling their resources 93 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:12,600 to build something they believe in. 94 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:16,080 I'm picturing a big join the cooperative banner right now. 95 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:16,560 You know what? 96 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:17,520 You actually can. 97 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:19,920 It's open to anyone who shares their vision. 98 00:03:19,920 --> 00:03:24,560 It's about investing in a future where creativity and community 99 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:25,400 are paramount. 100 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,760 This sounds like one of those things you have to see to believe. 101 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:30,560 So paint me a picture. 102 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,720 What's it like to actually step into Holesmark 25? 103 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:37,560 Imagine you wander down these cobblestone streets, right? 104 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:42,000 And the air is filled with this smell of fresh bread and music 105 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:43,360 from a nearby cafe. 106 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,120 So it's like this hipster paradise. 107 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:46,240 It's more than that, though. 108 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:46,840 It really is. 109 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:48,240 Remember those sources you were talking about? 110 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:48,640 Yeah. 111 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:50,680 The stuff from Holesmark themselves and the Gouquet? 112 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:51,360 Right, right. 113 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:53,560 They actually provide some really interesting insights, 114 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:54,520 like behind the scenes. 115 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:55,040 OK. 116 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,400 They're thinking about keeping the Spree Riverfront public. 117 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:57,880 Oh, yeah. 118 00:03:57,880 --> 00:03:59,600 That's a big deal, because a lot of cities 119 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,400 end up privatizing their waterfronts. 120 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,840 It ends up only being for the select few who can afford it. 121 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:06,440 Exactly. 122 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:08,920 And Holesmark is fighting against that, which 123 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:10,320 I think is pretty cool. 124 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,040 They're making sure everyone can enjoy the river. 125 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,640 They back up their words with action, too. 126 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:16,320 I like that. 127 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,380 And the urban development assessment that we saw, 128 00:04:19,380 --> 00:04:20,640 it's really detailed. 129 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,000 They really thought this through. 130 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:23,880 So it's not just some happy accident. 131 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:25,440 No, they had a vision. 132 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,640 It's all about sustainability and community. 133 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:30,600 And they're not afraid to share how they did it. 134 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,680 It's nice to see that balance, you know? 135 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:35,880 Free spirit with the practicality 136 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:37,080 of sustainability. 137 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,880 And you know, the UK, the sustainability 138 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:41,600 isn't just about the environment. 139 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:43,760 It's got to be something that works financially and socially, 140 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:44,280 too. 141 00:04:44,280 --> 00:04:46,760 So they want to create a viable alternative 142 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:48,680 to the typical way of doing things. 143 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:49,840 Yeah, and they're doing it. 144 00:04:49,840 --> 00:04:51,080 This isn't some pipe dream. 145 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,040 Holesmark is thriving. 146 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,340 It's an ecosystem where the businesses actually 147 00:04:55,340 --> 00:04:56,400 support each other. 148 00:04:56,400 --> 00:05:00,080 I love that, a self-sustaining cycle of creativity 149 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:00,880 and community. 150 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:02,920 And get this, they have all these income screams, 151 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:06,360 everything from like you buying a cup of coffee to events 152 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,880 to the UK members themselves. 153 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaking of which, what is it actually 154 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:14,720 like to be a part of this Go-K cooperative? 155 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,080 Is it like as amazing as it sounds? 156 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,080 Well, it's more than just giving them money. 157 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:21,360 You actually get a say in how things are run. 158 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:21,880 Oh, wow. 159 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,280 So it's a real investment in the future of Holsmart. 160 00:05:24,280 --> 00:05:25,000 Exactly. 161 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,720 Members can go to meetings, have discussions, 162 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,480 really be a part of shaping Holsmart. 163 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:31,400 That's so cool. 164 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,880 But on the financial side of things, how does it work? 165 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,320 Do people get something back for investing? 166 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:39,360 That's where the cooperative share comes in. 167 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,520 You invest, and they've structured it 168 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,640 so that the project is financially stable 169 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,040 and the members get a return on their investment. 170 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:48,560 So it's not just an act of charity. 171 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:50,280 It's a true partnership. 172 00:05:50,280 --> 00:05:52,400 Yeah, and they've found that sweet spot 173 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:54,760 between sticking to their vision 174 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:56,480 and having a head for business. 175 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:58,360 Which is not an easy thing to do. 176 00:05:58,360 --> 00:05:59,680 No, not at all. 177 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:01,480 And the fact that they have over 100 members 178 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,360 from all over the world says something, doesn't it? 179 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:05,200 It really does. 180 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:06,900 It shows that their model is resonating 181 00:06:06,900 --> 00:06:08,880 with people who want something different. 182 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:10,360 So it makes you wonder though, 183 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:12,000 is Holsmart a one-hit wonder? 184 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:13,680 Can this be replicated somewhere else 185 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:15,660 or is it just too connected to Berlin? 186 00:06:15,660 --> 00:06:18,240 It's like, can you bottle that magic 187 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:19,280 and take it somewhere else? 188 00:06:19,280 --> 00:06:21,000 Right, is Holsmart something 189 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:22,660 you can just replicate anywhere? 190 00:06:22,660 --> 00:06:25,000 It's tough to say for sure. 191 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,720 Berlin has that whole post-war history, 192 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:29,840 the interim use movement, all of that. 193 00:06:29,840 --> 00:06:31,360 So you can't just like copy and paste it 194 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:33,240 to a different city and expect it to work. 195 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,240 Exactly, every city is different, right? 196 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:38,220 What works in Berlin might not work in London or New York. 197 00:06:38,220 --> 00:06:39,060 But. 198 00:06:39,060 --> 00:06:39,880 There's always a but. 199 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,480 Right, but even though the details might be different, 200 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,880 the heart of Holsmart, that commitment to community, 201 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,720 to sustainability, to creativity, that's universal. 202 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:50,520 So it's more about capturing the essence 203 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:52,920 of what they've created and finding ways to adapt it. 204 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:56,080 Yeah, it's about figuring out what resonates with us 205 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:59,360 about Holsmart and seeing how we can apply those lessons 206 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:00,200 in our own cities. 207 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,520 So it's like taking a seed and planting it in new soil, 208 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:05,160 letting it grow into something new, 209 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,200 but with that same core idea. 210 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:10,160 Exactly, and it reminds us that these things take time. 211 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,520 You need people working together and a lot of passion. 212 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:16,600 Holsmart 25, it's not just an address in Berlin, 213 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:18,840 it's like this example of what we can do 214 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:22,640 when we put community, creativity, and sustainability first. 215 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:24,480 They've shown that there's another way to do things 216 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:25,920 and that's a powerful message. 217 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:27,260 It's inspiring. 218 00:07:27,260 --> 00:07:29,860 What could a Holsmart look like in your city? 219 00:07:29,860 --> 00:07:32,400 What could you create if everyone worked together? 220 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:33,560 Think about it. 221 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:35,800 And as always, keep diving deep.