1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,660 Welcome to the deep dive. So glad you could join us today as we kick off another 2 00:00:03,660 --> 00:00:04,800 exploration. 3 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,020 And before we really get started, a big thank you to our supporter, Safe Server. 4 00:00:09,020 --> 00:00:09,300 They handle 5 00:00:09,300 --> 00:00:12,820 the crucial hosting for software, like the one we're discussing today, and they're 6 00:00:12,820 --> 00:00:13,680 fantastic 7 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:17,290 at helping organizations with their digital transformation. You can check out 8 00:00:17,290 --> 00:00:17,600 everything 9 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:19,920 they offer at www.safeserver.de. 10 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:27,110 Okay, so let me ask you this. Have you ever been in a meeting, maybe for work or a 11 00:00:27,110 --> 00:00:27,840 club, 12 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:31,210 something like that, and it just feels chaotic? You know, papers everywhere, nobody 13 00:00:31,210 --> 00:00:31,600 sure what 14 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:35,000 motion we're on. Votes take forever to count. Everyone's kind of lost track of who's 15 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:35,400 speaking 16 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:39,820 or even what the agenda point is. It happens, right? Super inefficient, drains your 17 00:00:39,820 --> 00:00:40,240 energy. 18 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,170 Well, you're definitely not alone feeling that way. Today, we're taking a really 19 00:00:43,170 --> 00:00:43,400 close 20 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:47,550 look at a solution designed to fix exactly that. Open slides. They call it the 21 00:00:47,550 --> 00:00:47,940 digital 22 00:00:47,940 --> 00:00:52,680 motion and assembly system. Sounds a bit formal, maybe. But honestly, the core idea 23 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:53,200 is making 24 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:57,800 these complex meeting tasks really quite simple, easy to grasp, even if you're 25 00:00:57,800 --> 00:00:58,480 totally new 26 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:02,960 to this sort of thing. That's spot on. Our goal here is really to unpack how open 27 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:03,280 slides 28 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:08,320 does more than just tidy up those traditional meetings. It actually transforms them 29 00:01:08,320 --> 00:01:08,560 into 30 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:13,460 these dynamic digital interactive experiences. We want to show how it makes even 31 00:01:13,460 --> 00:01:14,040 complicated 32 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:18,140 assembly stuff feel accessible, feel easy to understand for anyone. Doesn't matter 33 00:01:18,140 --> 00:01:18,280 if 34 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:22,740 you're a pro at procedure or just trying to get a local group organized. And just 35 00:01:22,740 --> 00:01:23,000 so you 36 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,200 know, everything we're discussing comes straight from the open slides website and 37 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:26,720 their GitHub 38 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:31,730 repository. So, reliable sources. Okay, great. So let's really get into it. What is 39 00:01:31,730 --> 00:01:32,080 open 40 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:36,100 slides? Fundamentally, if you boil it down, it's basically a free web based 41 00:01:36,100 --> 00:01:36,840 software. 42 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:41,090 It's built specifically to manage and project everything you need for a meeting. 43 00:01:41,090 --> 00:01:42,160 Your agenda, 44 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,760 formal motions, elections, you name it. Yeah. For pretty much any kind of assembly 45 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:46,280 or gathering. 46 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:50,840 Think of it like, I guess, a shortcut to having really organized digital meetings 47 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:51,920 much smoother. 48 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:57,320 And a key thing, something that really helps its adoption is how accessible it is. 49 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:57,520 Picture 50 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:01,890 this. Every single user, doesn't matter where they are, they access all their 51 00:02:01,890 --> 00:02:02,840 committees, 52 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:07,200 all their meetings through one central web address, one URL. 53 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:12,220 Okay. So no complex logins or different apps. Exactly. It makes it incredibly easy 54 00:02:12,220 --> 00:02:12,600 to use, 55 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:16,560 especially for people who aren't, you know, super techie, no installation needed. 56 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:16,560 Just 57 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:20,530 click the link. That single access point is huge for getting everyone involved 58 00:02:20,530 --> 00:02:21,080 easily. 59 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:25,410 Yeah. That single URL idea definitely sounds beginner friendly. And you mentioned 60 00:02:25,410 --> 00:02:25,840 intuitive 61 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:29,670 design. So it's taking all that complexity, the paper, the emails, the separate 62 00:02:29,670 --> 00:02:30,120 voting 63 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:34,400 gadgets and pulling it all together. Precisely. It streamlines everything all from 64 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:39,120 one source, as they say. It's designed to let people focus on the actual discussion, 65 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:42,400 not struggle with the tools. Makes sense. Reduces that mental clutter. 66 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:47,090 So how does it actually pull this off, especially for maybe bigger organizations 67 00:02:47,090 --> 00:02:47,960 with complex 68 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:52,260 structures? It starts with committee management. The software 69 00:02:52,260 --> 00:02:56,600 lets you map out your whole organization structure, however it's set up. You can 70 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:57,160 create as many 71 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:00,640 committees and meetings as you need. No limits there. 72 00:03:00,640 --> 00:03:05,360 And critically, you get really fine grain control over permissions. Who can forward 73 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,160 motions, who can see what documents, that kind of thing. 74 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:12,360 Right. Security and proper procedure are key. Definitely. And it also archives all 75 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:12,520 your 76 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:16,820 past meetings automatically, which is invaluable, you know, for looking back at 77 00:03:16,820 --> 00:03:17,560 decisions or 78 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:21,400 just keeping that institutional memory. Yeah, I can see that. Okay, so that handles 79 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:25,520 the structure. What about the agenda itself? That's often where things get messy in 80 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:25,680 real 81 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:27,240 time. Absolutely. 82 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:30,920 And OpenSlides makes the agenda really dynamic. Forget those printed sheets that 83 00:03:30,920 --> 00:03:31,640 are instantly 84 00:03:31,640 --> 00:03:36,240 out of date. Here you can add items, change them, even just drag and drop to reorder 85 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:36,520 things 86 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,560 on the fly. Oh, wow. So if something urgent comes up. 87 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:43,420 Exactly. The chair can adjust the flow right then and there. It automatically 88 00:03:43,420 --> 00:03:43,840 handles the 89 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:48,120 numbering and links items to like speaker lists and timings. 90 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:54,660 Ah, smart. Less manual work. Way less. And a neat touch. You can add hidden 91 00:03:54,660 --> 00:03:58,930 items to the agenda, like maybe scheduled breaks or internal notes for the 92 00:03:58,930 --> 00:03:59,960 organizers. 93 00:03:59,960 --> 00:04:03,510 They don't show up for everyone, but they help manage the schedule behind the 94 00:04:03,510 --> 00:04:04,160 scenes. 95 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:08,640 Keeps the main agenda clean. That is clever. Okay, so agenda sorted. What 96 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:14,040 about managing who gets to speak? That can be tricky. Yeah, the list of speakers 97 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:14,400 feature 98 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,870 handles that really well. It cracks who wants to spook in what order, and it 99 00:04:17,870 --> 00:04:18,480 manages speaking 100 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:22,720 time very precisely. Down to the second, actually, with a visible countdown timer. 101 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:27,000 Oh, nice. Keeps things moving and fair. Totally. Prevents anyone from dominating 102 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:27,120 the 103 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:31,320 conversation. And for events that are projected or streamed, it can automatically 104 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:31,800 generate 105 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,600 those lower third graphics, you know, the speaker's name and title at the bottom of 106 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:39,760 the screen. Oh yeah, like on the news. That looks professional. It really does. Adds 107 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:39,800 a 108 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:43,920 layer of polish and clarity, especially for remote viewers. Okay, now this next 109 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:44,280 part sounds 110 00:04:44,280 --> 00:04:49,760 really powerful. Motions and elections. You said this is core. Definitely. This is 111 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:49,880 where 112 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:55,590 open slides can make a huge difference. So first, just getting proposals or motions 113 00:04:55,590 --> 00:04:55,800 into 114 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:59,550 the system is easy. You enter them, add amendments, give them categories, numbers, 115 00:04:59,550 --> 00:05:00,160 keeps everything 116 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:04,840 tracked. Right. Standard procedure, but digitized. Exactly. But the real power is 117 00:05:04,840 --> 00:05:05,440 the electronic 118 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:10,700 voting. It handles votes on motions, proper elections, even quick polls. And you 119 00:05:10,700 --> 00:05:11,080 can control 120 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:15,560 who votes. Yep. You can specify exactly which user groups are eligible, maybe only 121 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:15,880 board 122 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:20,300 members or delegates from certain regions. Total flexibility. And anonymous voting 123 00:05:20,300 --> 00:05:20,400 is 124 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:26,440 possible too. Absolutely. You choose nominal where you see who voted how or non-nominal, 125 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:30,320 which is anonymous, depending on the rules in the meeting and the speed. Ballots 126 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:30,560 are 127 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:34,250 processed instantly. Results pop up right away. Think about how much time that 128 00:05:34,250 --> 00:05:34,580 saves 129 00:05:34,580 --> 00:05:39,330 compared to getting paper slips. Yeah. Hours sometimes. Yeah. No kidding. That 130 00:05:39,330 --> 00:05:39,740 keeps the 131 00:05:39,740 --> 00:05:44,520 momentum going. Okay. Connecting that to bigger events. The projector system and 132 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:45,140 live conference 133 00:05:45,140 --> 00:05:49,800 features sound important. They really tie it all together, especially for larger 134 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:50,520 assemblies 135 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:54,850 or hybrid virtual settings. It's built for multiple screens with really good 136 00:05:54,850 --> 00:05:55,480 projector 137 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:59,850 controls that are easy to use from the web interface. You can project slides, even 138 00:05:59,850 --> 00:06:00,200 edit 139 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:04,730 them in real time if needed. And the video integration. That's a huge plus. It 140 00:06:04,730 --> 00:06:05,320 integrates 141 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:09,580 live video streams directly so participants can watch the proceedings right inside 142 00:06:09,580 --> 00:06:09,860 Open 143 00:06:09,860 --> 00:06:14,110 Slides. All in one place. Exactly. And for fully virtual events, participants can 144 00:06:14,110 --> 00:06:14,360 even 145 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:18,610 make their speaking contributions via video conference through Open Slides. It 146 00:06:18,610 --> 00:06:18,820 really 147 00:06:18,820 --> 00:06:23,940 becomes this all in one platform. No need to juggle Zoom, voting tools, documents. 148 00:06:23,940 --> 00:06:24,320 It's 149 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:28,400 all integrated. That sounds much less confusing for participants. Yeah. Speaking of 150 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:28,740 keeping 151 00:06:28,740 --> 00:06:32,850 things simple, tell me about this autopilot feature. Right, the autopilot. It's a 152 00:06:32,850 --> 00:06:33,240 really 153 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,620 neat concept. It basically acts as a guide for everyone in the meeting. It always 154 00:06:36,620 --> 00:06:37,000 shows 155 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:40,920 clearly what's happening right now. Which agenda item, which motion is up for 156 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:41,440 debate, 157 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:46,200 who's speaking next. Ah, like a status display. Pretty much. It also shows what 158 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:46,720 vote might 159 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:50,720 be in progress. And what's currently being shown on the main screen or projector 160 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:51,080 just 161 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:55,060 simplifies things immensely, especially if you're not used to formal meetings. Keeps 162 00:06:55,060 --> 00:06:59,120 everyone on the same page. Reduces that, wait, what are we talking about? That 163 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:00,360 feeling. Yeah, 164 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:04,610 I can see that being really helpful. And underpinning all this must be some solid 165 00:07:04,610 --> 00:07:06,240 participant management, 166 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:11,070 right? Controlling who can do what. Absolutely crucial. It has sophisticated rights 167 00:07:11,070 --> 00:07:11,800 management 168 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:16,490 built in. You define exactly what different user groups can see or do. Maybe only 169 00:07:16,490 --> 00:07:17,040 certain 170 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:22,290 people can view sensitive files or only registered delegates can vote. Makes sense. 171 00:07:22,290 --> 00:07:22,600 Security 172 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:26,590 and control. Exactly. And beyond that, just managing the list of delegates, 173 00:07:26,590 --> 00:07:28,100 tracking attendance, 174 00:07:28,100 --> 00:07:31,390 it makes that admin side much more straightforward, which is vital for bigger 175 00:07:31,390 --> 00:07:32,240 meetings where you 176 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:36,540 need to confirm quorums and voting rights properly. Takes away a lot of that manual 177 00:07:36,540 --> 00:07:41,760 headache. Okay, so it sounds incredibly capable. But does it fit all types of 178 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:42,560 meetings? What 179 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:48,160 if my group mostly meets in person? That's a great question. And the answer is yes, 180 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:48,460 absolutely. 181 00:07:48,460 --> 00:07:52,800 It's versatility is a major strength. It's designed for all formats, traditional in-person 182 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:57,490 meetings, hybrid ones, and fully virtual ones. For those face-to-face meetings, it 183 00:07:57,490 --> 00:07:58,100 streamlines 184 00:07:58,100 --> 00:08:02,360 things digitally. Real-time updates, digital decision capture, enhances the 185 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:03,680 physical meeting, 186 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:07,600 doesn't replace it. And hybrid, that's often the tricky one. Right. Trying to keep 187 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:07,920 remote 188 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:11,670 and in-person folks on the same level. OpenSlides is built for that. It allows 189 00:08:11,670 --> 00:08:12,640 truly interactive 190 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:16,810 participation for everyone, wherever they are. Voting, speaking lists, agenda 191 00:08:16,810 --> 00:08:17,420 access, 192 00:08:17,420 --> 00:08:20,700 it works the same whether you're in the room or at home. That's key for making sure 193 00:08:20,700 --> 00:08:21,060 remote 194 00:08:21,060 --> 00:08:25,280 participants feel included, not like second-class citizens. A genuinely unified 195 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:26,140 experience. 196 00:08:26,140 --> 00:08:30,030 And then for fully virtual events, the integrated livestream makes it that all-in-one 197 00:08:30,030 --> 00:08:30,540 solution 198 00:08:30,540 --> 00:08:35,160 we mentioned. You avoid juggling different platforms. Speaker lists, video, 199 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:36,220 streaming, 200 00:08:36,220 --> 00:08:40,010 it's all coupled together intelligently within OpenSlides. Makes for a much 201 00:08:40,010 --> 00:08:40,680 smoother, more 202 00:08:40,680 --> 00:08:43,660 professional virtual event. Less tech stress for everyone. 203 00:08:43,660 --> 00:08:49,370 Okay, this all sounds fantastic, but is it expensive? How does the open source 204 00:08:49,370 --> 00:08:49,740 aspect 205 00:08:49,740 --> 00:08:54,180 work? Good point. OpenSlides is free Libre open source 206 00:08:54,180 --> 00:08:59,020 software floss. It's under the MIT license, which is very permissive. Basically, 207 00:08:59,020 --> 00:08:59,500 the software 208 00:08:59,500 --> 00:09:03,210 code itself is free to use, modify, distribute. You find it all in GitHub. It 209 00:09:03,210 --> 00:09:03,900 actually has 210 00:09:03,900 --> 00:09:09,490 a decent community following. Their last check was around 557 stars, 164 forks, 211 00:09:09,490 --> 00:09:10,060 which is 212 00:09:10,060 --> 00:09:14,440 pretty healthy. So anyone can download and run it themselves. They can, yes. But it's 213 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:17,890 important to know the OpenSlides team doesn't offer free technical support if you 214 00:09:17,890 --> 00:09:18,220 go the 215 00:09:18,220 --> 00:09:21,560 self-installation route. You're kind of on your own there unless you have the 216 00:09:21,560 --> 00:09:22,060 technical 217 00:09:22,060 --> 00:09:26,820 skills. Ah, okay. So what's the alternative if you don't want to manage the tech 218 00:09:26,820 --> 00:09:27,500 side? 219 00:09:27,500 --> 00:09:31,340 That's where their services come in. They offer a software as a service or sauce 220 00:09:31,340 --> 00:09:31,960 option. 221 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:36,380 You basically just book it and it's ready to go. Hassle free. Exactly. It's usually 222 00:09:36,380 --> 00:09:39,710 available quickly. Comes with all the features, automatic updates, backups are 223 00:09:39,710 --> 00:09:40,500 handled, performance 224 00:09:40,500 --> 00:09:43,600 is optimized. It's the easy route if you just want to use the software without 225 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:44,060 worrying 226 00:09:44,060 --> 00:09:48,740 about servers and setup. Removes that whole IT burden. And what if an organization 227 00:09:48,740 --> 00:09:49,300 needs 228 00:09:49,300 --> 00:09:54,480 more, like training or specific help? They offer professional support services too 229 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:54,680 on 230 00:09:54,680 --> 00:09:59,200 a paid basis. Things like training sessions, workshops, even on-site support for 231 00:09:59,200 --> 00:09:59,500 really 232 00:09:59,500 --> 00:10:04,210 big or critical events. Plus, technical support, phone support, and even custom 233 00:10:04,210 --> 00:10:04,980 development 234 00:10:04,980 --> 00:10:09,170 if you need unique features or integrations. So options for everyone. From small 235 00:10:09,170 --> 00:10:09,580 groups 236 00:10:09,580 --> 00:10:14,900 using the free code to large organizations needing full service. Pretty much, yeah. 237 00:10:14,900 --> 00:10:14,900 It's 238 00:10:14,900 --> 00:10:19,530 a flexible model. Okay, so who's actually using this in the real world? Does it 239 00:10:19,530 --> 00:10:19,620 have 240 00:10:19,620 --> 00:10:24,470 a track record? Oh, definitely. The user base is really diverse and quite 241 00:10:24,470 --> 00:10:25,520 impressive. You've 242 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:30,460 got global NGOs like Amnesty International using it. Major German political parties, 243 00:10:30,460 --> 00:10:36,620 the FTP, the SPD, big trade unions like DGB and Ver.di, even student groups like 244 00:10:36,620 --> 00:10:37,260 the European 245 00:10:37,260 --> 00:10:42,580 Students Union. Wow, that's a wide range from politics to nonprofits to unions. 246 00:10:42,580 --> 00:10:43,020 Right. It 247 00:10:43,020 --> 00:10:47,370 shows it's robust and adaptable enough for very different and often very demanding 248 00:10:47,370 --> 00:10:48,180 organizations. 249 00:10:48,180 --> 00:10:52,170 Yeah. And you mentioned German organizations specifically. It's apparently known as 250 00:10:52,170 --> 00:10:52,220 the 251 00:10:52,220 --> 00:10:57,370 most widespread motion and conference tool in Germany, which knowing Germany's 252 00:10:57,370 --> 00:10:57,820 focus 253 00:10:57,820 --> 00:11:02,950 on efficiency and proper process says a lot about its reliability. Good point. It's 254 00:11:02,950 --> 00:11:03,160 clearly 255 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:06,780 proven itself in the demanding environment. So wrapping things up then, what's a 256 00:11:06,780 --> 00:11:07,340 big takeaway 257 00:11:07,340 --> 00:11:10,690 for our listeners? I think it's that OpenSlides is this really powerful yet 258 00:11:10,690 --> 00:11:11,760 surprisingly user 259 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:15,050 friendly tool to managing meetings digitally. It doesn't matter if it's a small 260 00:11:15,050 --> 00:11:15,600 committee 261 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:20,220 or a huge assembly. It brings efficiency, transparency, and makes participation 262 00:11:20,220 --> 00:11:20,900 easier. 263 00:11:20,900 --> 00:11:25,150 It just smooths out so many rough edges. And maybe a final thought to leave people 264 00:11:25,150 --> 00:11:25,900 with. 265 00:11:25,900 --> 00:11:30,180 Wonder how tools like this could do more than just make your meetings run smoother? 266 00:11:30,180 --> 00:11:30,180 How 267 00:11:30,180 --> 00:11:35,050 could they genuinely foster more participation? More transparency in your own 268 00:11:35,050 --> 00:11:35,980 organization 269 00:11:35,980 --> 00:11:41,090 or community? Imagine making democratic processes not just efficient, but truly 270 00:11:41,090 --> 00:11:42,100 accessible and 271 00:11:42,100 --> 00:11:45,860 clear for everyone involved. Kind of empowering, isn't it? 272 00:11:45,860 --> 00:11:49,000 That's a great point. Definitely food for thought. If you're curious and want to 273 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:49,100 see 274 00:11:49,100 --> 00:11:53,010 it for yourself, definitely head over to the OpenSlides website. They have demos 275 00:11:53,010 --> 00:11:53,440 and much 276 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,980 more information could be the answer you've been looking for. 277 00:11:56,980 --> 00:12:01,140 And one last time, a huge thank you to SafeServer for supporting this deep dive. 278 00:12:01,140 --> 00:12:01,700 Remember, they're 279 00:12:01,700 --> 00:12:09,660 experts in hosting and digital transformation support. Find out more at www.safeserver.de. 280 00:12:09,660 --> 00:12:11,980 Thanks for joining us on the Deep Drive, and we'll catch you on the next one.