1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,280 Okay, let's unpack this. We are diving into a toolkit today that, well, it seems to 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:05,360 have 3 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:10,210 really shifted how product engineers think about building software. And actually, 4 00:00:10,210 --> 00:00:10,800 before we really 5 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:15,670 get started, we absolutely want to thank the supporter of this deep dive. Safe 6 00:00:15,670 --> 00:00:16,640 Server. Safe 7 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:20,750 Server supports this exploration, handling the hosting side of things for software 8 00:00:20,750 --> 00:00:21,360 like this, 9 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:27,520 and really aiding in your digital transformation. You can find more info at www.safeserver.de. 10 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:33,580 So our mission today is to explore PostHog. The goal is, well, pretty simple. 11 00:00:33,580 --> 00:00:34,960 Explain what this 12 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:39,460 heavily starred open source platform actually is, why it makes this bold claim of 13 00:00:39,460 --> 00:00:40,560 being an all-in-one 14 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:44,220 solution, and importantly, how it simplifies life for product teams. Especially, 15 00:00:44,220 --> 00:00:44,720 you know, 16 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:47,600 if you're maybe just starting out in the world of product analytics. And you can 17 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:48,160 tell it's gaining 18 00:00:48,160 --> 00:00:52,040 serious momentum. I mean, our sources today are straight from their main marketing 19 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:52,960 pages, sure, 20 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:58,880 but also their GitHub repo, and that shows, what, 29.8 thousand stars and 2,000 forks. 21 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:02,230 Wow. Yeah, that kind of traction doesn't just happen by accident. It really signals 22 00:01:02,230 --> 00:01:02,480 they're 23 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:06,820 solving a, well, a pretty crucial pain point for developers. Absolutely. So the big 24 00:01:06,820 --> 00:01:07,360 picture, 25 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:12,000 the core idea, is that PostHog aims to be the single source of truth for building 26 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:12,480 successful 27 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:17,120 products. It rolls together product analytics, session recording, feature flagging, 28 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:17,920 A-B testing, 29 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:22,240 all those separate tools that product engineers usually have to kind of cobble 30 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:22,560 together. 31 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:24,480 Right. And one open source bundle. 32 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:29,040 Exactly. Okay, so here's where it gets really interesting for me. You know, every 33 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:29,760 tech stack 34 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:34,240 eventually hits that problem of tool sprawl, right? One service for errors, 35 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:40,000 another for feature flags, maybe a third for user analytics. Why did PostHog decide 36 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:40,800 to consolidate 37 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:45,680 everything? What's the philosophy behind that? Well, what's fascinating here is it 38 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:46,000 feels like 39 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:51,280 a core philosophical shift. They actually define PostHog as a product OS, like an 40 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:52,080 operating system, 41 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:55,920 but for your product data. A product OS, okay. Yeah, and they recognize that if you're 42 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:56,480 a developer, 43 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,840 pretty much every decision you make, you know, should I fix this bug? Should we 44 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:00,240 launch that 45 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:04,880 feature? It all requires context. The key insight driving this whole thing seems to 46 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:05,680 be that developers 47 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:09,120 should operate from the full set of data, not just like a siloed slice of what's 48 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:10,000 happening inside 49 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:14,520 their app. Right, we've all felt that pain of disconnected data silos. You know, if 50 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:14,880 I'm trying 51 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:19,010 to debug something critical, I need the error log, sure, but I also need to see the 52 00:02:19,010 --> 00:02:20,240 user's click path 53 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:25,670 and maybe know if they're a paying customer. It all matters. Exactly. So what does 54 00:02:25,670 --> 00:02:27,680 this full set of data 55 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:32,060 actually mean in PostHog's world? Technically speaking, I mean. It means basically 56 00:02:32,060 --> 00:02:32,640 breaking 57 00:02:32,640 --> 00:02:36,240 down those walls between the different operational bits of the business and the 58 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:37,200 product engineering 59 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:41,800 side. So for instance, PostHog is designed to integrate data that happens outside 60 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:42,560 the application 61 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:47,570 itself, but still really defines that customer experience. Okay, like what? Things 62 00:02:47,570 --> 00:02:48,400 like financial 63 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:52,720 data, maybe payments tracked in Stripe, or exceptions captured by a separate error 64 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:53,680 tracking tool, 65 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:57,930 or even support tickets logged in something like Zendesk or Salesforce. Okay, wait 66 00:02:57,930 --> 00:02:59,120 a second. If I'm 67 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:03,620 a developer, that sounds fantastic for making decisions, definitely. But I have to 68 00:03:03,620 --> 00:03:03,840 ask, 69 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:10,080 isn't consolidating financial data, customer service history, and every single user 70 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:10,240 click 71 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:15,840 into one potentially open source platform? Isn't that a pretty significant security 72 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:15,920 and 73 00:03:15,920 --> 00:03:20,150 maintenance challenge? That's a lot of critical data in one basket. That's a really 74 00:03:20,150 --> 00:03:20,560 important 75 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:24,210 question, yeah. And it speaks directly to their engineering approach, I think. 76 00:03:24,210 --> 00:03:24,720 Their argument 77 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:30,110 seems to be that managing one highly secure integrated system is actually less 78 00:03:30,110 --> 00:03:30,560 risky, 79 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:35,170 potentially, than constantly syncing sensitive data between, say, half a dozen 80 00:03:35,170 --> 00:03:36,160 separate vendors. 81 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:39,600 Oh, okay. Each with its own authentication, its own compliance quirks. By 82 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:40,720 integrating these pipes, 83 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,870 they have this data pipelines and warehouse component we can talk about. They 84 00:03:43,870 --> 00:03:44,240 create a kind 85 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:48,680 of unified identity across the data. I see. Which lets you do things like say, okay, 86 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:49,040 show me all 87 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:52,800 users who clicked feature X, had error Y last Tuesday, and submitted a high 88 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:53,680 priority support 89 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:58,040 ticket last week. That kind of visibility, well, it allows for much more informed 90 00:03:58,040 --> 00:03:58,880 decisions. 91 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:03,120 It sounds like the real value isn't just having the tools in one place, but it's 92 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:04,240 that single, 93 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:10,730 unfragmented view of the entire user journey from payment to frustration to 94 00:04:10,730 --> 00:04:12,000 actually using a feature. 95 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:17,920 Precisely. It shifts the focus from just reporting abstract numbers to directly 96 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:18,480 informing 97 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:22,400 actual product strategy changes. So we get the philosophy, 98 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:27,200 single source of truth, unified view. Since it is an all-in-one platform, 99 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:31,280 let's look at the toolkit itself. But maybe instead of just defining basic terms, 100 00:04:31,280 --> 00:04:35,040 because our listeners probably know what A-B testing is, let's focus on the synergy. 101 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:38,800 How do these tools actually work together in this unified environment? 102 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,840 That's the critical difference, right? Because in a traditional stack, you might 103 00:04:41,840 --> 00:04:42,960 run an A-B test in, 104 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:47,600 say, tool A, but then you've got to manually pipe those results over to tool B, 105 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:48,560 your main analytics 106 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,600 platform, just to see the full impact. Yeah, that's always a pain. 107 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:56,460 Here, the idea is the tools share the same underlying event data immediately. So 108 00:04:56,460 --> 00:04:56,640 take 109 00:04:56,640 --> 00:05:00,320 product analytics combined with feature flags. Let's say you set up a feature flag. 110 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:00,560 Maybe you're 111 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:04,720 rolling out a new checkout button to just 10% of your users. Since the flag is 112 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:05,360 native to the 113 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:10,640 platform, that 10% cohort is just automatically tracked by the analytics engine. No 114 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:11,360 extra setup. 115 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:16,370 Then, maybe the next day, you decide, hey, let's turn this into a proper experiment, 116 00:05:16,370 --> 00:05:17,280 an A-B test. 117 00:05:17,280 --> 00:05:21,120 You don't have to redefine the cohort. You don't have to re-instrument any code. 118 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:21,680 The data is already 119 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:25,880 flowing right into the experiments tool. That allows for immediate statistical 120 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:27,200 analysis on, say, 121 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:30,320 conversion rate changes. Okay, that dramatically cuts down on the 122 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:35,800 operational lag and the engineering overhead, I imagine. What about the tools 123 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:36,880 focused more on 124 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:42,080 like product stability, errors and replays? Yeah, look at session replays and error 125 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:42,560 tracking. 126 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:46,000 Session replays, for those who haven't used them, are like watching a screen 127 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:46,960 recording of a real 128 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:48,880 user session. Right, super useful. 129 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,950 In the traditional model, if a user reports some weird issue, you might see the 130 00:05:52,950 --> 00:05:53,840 error log in tool 131 00:05:53,840 --> 00:05:58,280 A, but you have zero visual context. You're just guessing. With post hog, the idea 132 00:05:58,280 --> 00:05:59,120 is if an error 133 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:03,360 pops up in the error tracking section, the developer can immediately click and jump 134 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:04,080 straight to the 135 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:08,240 session replay that's tied to that exact moment the error occurred. Oh, wow. Okay, 136 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:08,800 so instead of 137 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:13,170 trying to reproduce a bug based on just a stack trace, which can be impossible 138 00:06:13,170 --> 00:06:14,320 sometimes, I can 139 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:18,970 actually watch the user encounter the bug live, see exactly what steps they took, 140 00:06:18,970 --> 00:06:19,840 maybe check the 141 00:06:19,840 --> 00:06:23,900 corresponding network logs right there alongside the replay. That sounds like, well, 142 00:06:23,900 --> 00:06:24,560 like a huge 143 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:28,600 improvement in debugging time. It absolutely can be. Yeah. And kind of feeding into 144 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:29,200 all of this 145 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:33,040 is the data warehouse pipelines capability. This is sort of the heavy lifting 146 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:33,760 engine behind the 147 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:37,870 scenes. It's what ingests that external data, we talked about Stripe, HubSpot, 148 00:06:37,870 --> 00:06:38,480 whatever, 149 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:42,880 and lets you run custom transformations on it. Okay. And critically, it then lets 150 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:43,680 you send that 151 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:49,350 enriched unified data stream out to, I think they say 25 plus other downstream 152 00:06:49,350 --> 00:06:50,800 tools. So it ensures 153 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:55,020 post hoc remains flexible, even if your stack evolves later. That makes sense. Keeps 154 00:06:55,020 --> 00:06:55,280 it from 155 00:06:55,280 --> 00:06:59,170 being too much of a closed box. Finally, we should probably talk about LLM 156 00:06:59,170 --> 00:07:00,000 analytics. You know, 157 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:04,800 AI powered applications are becoming huge, but they bring this whole new layer of 158 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:05,440 operational 159 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:08,720 complexity. How does post hoc handle that? This is where they really seem to be 160 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:09,520 looking ahead. 161 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:14,650 For applications using large language models, they're capturing specialized metrics 162 00:07:14,650 --> 00:07:14,960 that are 163 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:21,520 pretty vital for operations. Things like API call traces, token generation counts, 164 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:25,920 latency for the model responses, and even the actual cost per query. Oh, 165 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:27,040 interesting. Tracking 166 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:32,040 the cost directly. Yeah. It's an essential, quite specialized layer for measuring 167 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:32,960 the efficiency 168 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:37,460 and performance of these AI driven products. And it connects that raw engineering 169 00:07:37,460 --> 00:07:37,760 cost 170 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:42,320 directly to the user behavior metrics you're seeing in the main analytics dashboard. 171 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:47,070 It feels like a key feature that frankly, a lot of other consolidated platforms are 172 00:07:47,070 --> 00:07:47,440 probably only 173 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:50,960 just starting to think about. Yeah, that definitely feels ahead of the curve. Okay, 174 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:52,080 that is a seriously 175 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,180 ambitious suite of tools all bundled together. It almost sounds like the kind of 176 00:07:55,180 --> 00:07:55,920 infrastructure 177 00:07:55,920 --> 00:08:00,400 only, you know, major enterprises could typically afford or manage. So what does 178 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:01,200 this all mean for 179 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:05,030 someone just wanting to get started? Is this actually accessible to small teams or 180 00:08:05,030 --> 00:08:05,440 is there 181 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:10,710 a steep barrier to entry? This is where their open source roots and their pricing 182 00:08:10,710 --> 00:08:11,760 philosophy really 183 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:15,560 come into play and make a difference. They basically offer two main paths. The 184 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:16,000 recommended 185 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:20,790 option is post hog cloud. Right, the hosted version. Exactly. It's engineered for 186 00:08:20,790 --> 00:08:21,200 speed, 187 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:25,440 reliability, basically zero maintenance for you. And crucially, they offer an 188 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:26,720 extremely generous 189 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:31,200 free tier. How generous are we talking here? Like for a startup or maybe just an 190 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:31,600 individual 191 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:36,000 developer exploring the platform? We're talking generous to the point where they 192 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:37,440 state that 98% 193 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:42,670 of their customers currently use it entirely for free. Wow, 98%. Yep. Every month 194 00:08:42,670 --> 00:08:43,120 you get, 195 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:47,440 let's see, 1 million events for product analytics, 5,000 session recordings, 1 196 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:48,480 million feature flag 197 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:53,920 requests, 100,000 exceptions tracked for errors, and 1,500 survey responses. All 198 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:54,720 free every month. 199 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:58,960 Okay. That is a huge operational allowance for a startup or a small team. That's 200 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:00,560 pretty impressive. 201 00:09:00,560 --> 00:09:04,790 Pricing only kicks in after you hit those limits. Correct. Usage based after the 202 00:09:04,790 --> 00:09:05,680 free tier. Got it. 203 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:11,440 And what about the pure open source experience? You know, for teams who really 204 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:13,040 insist on absolute 205 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:18,080 data sovereignty and want to self-host everything? That option is definitely there. 206 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:18,720 The ability to 207 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:24,130 deploy a kind of hobby instance with just a single line of code using Docker on 208 00:09:24,130 --> 00:09:26,000 Linux exists. However, 209 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:29,240 and they're quite transparent about this too, the source is generally advised that 210 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:30,080 this setup is 211 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:35,120 really only recommended up to maybe about 100,000 events per month. Ah, okay. So it 212 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:36,080 has limitations 213 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:40,160 at scale. Yeah, if you scale beyond that, they strongly suggest migrating to their 214 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:40,560 cloud 215 00:09:40,560 --> 00:09:45,360 infrastructure simply because managing the underlying data warehouse click house, 216 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:50,640 I believe for massive scale, is a really non-trivial engineering task. And well, 217 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,920 they handle that best. Makes sense. Now let's talk about their culture for a second 218 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:54,560 because this is 219 00:09:54,560 --> 00:09:58,240 often overlooked, but I think it's pretty central to their whole appeal, especially 220 00:09:58,240 --> 00:09:59,120 to developers. 221 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,380 They don't just open source their code. Right. They seem to open source their 222 00:10:02,380 --> 00:10:03,280 entire company. 223 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,910 Wait, what do you mean? Like their internal processes? What does that actually 224 00:10:05,910 --> 00:10:06,320 involve? 225 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:11,280 Well, it's pretty extreme transparency. They open source their entire company handbook. 226 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:16,080 It details their strategy, how they make decisions, their ways of working, internal 227 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:16,640 processes. 228 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:22,420 Seriously, their strategy docs are public. Yeah. And look, it's probably not just a 229 00:10:22,420 --> 00:10:23,280 gimmick. It 230 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:27,260 seems to build this profound trust with the developer community who aren't just 231 00:10:27,260 --> 00:10:27,600 users, 232 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:31,600 but often contributors too. It's like a powerful statement. Look, if we're this 233 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:32,320 transparent about 234 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:35,920 how we operate internally, you could probably trust us to handle your mission 235 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:36,640 critical data 236 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:41,680 responsibly. That's bold. And I guess that transparency extends directly to their 237 00:10:41,680 --> 00:10:42,080 pricing 238 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:46,410 philosophy too, which sounds like a pretty sharp contrast to standard sauce 239 00:10:46,410 --> 00:10:47,280 practices. 240 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:51,440 Absolutely. Their pricing is completely usage based, like we said, and they have an 241 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:51,920 explicit 242 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:55,660 no sales call approach. You don't have to talk to anyone to get started or figure 243 00:10:55,660 --> 00:10:56,320 out costs. 244 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:02,710 Nice. You can calculate your exact cost based on totally transparent per unit 245 00:11:02,710 --> 00:11:03,760 pricing, like that 246 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:09,180 zero, zero, zero, zero, zero, five per event number after the free tier limit. 247 00:11:09,180 --> 00:11:09,760 There are no hidden 248 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:14,700 tiers, no complex enterprise negotiations just to figure out what you'll owe. They 249 00:11:14,700 --> 00:11:15,520 explicitly aim 250 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:19,410 to be the cheapest option at scale. And this radically transparent model is kind of 251 00:11:19,410 --> 00:11:19,760 how they 252 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:23,520 try to prove it. Okay. That's refreshing. Finally, let's just circle back quickly 253 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:24,480 to the future. 254 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:28,630 Beyond the LLM analytics tool they already offer, what are their teams apparently 255 00:11:28,630 --> 00:11:29,440 focused on in 256 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:33,420 terms of integrating AI within the platform itself? Well, the roadmap seems to 257 00:11:33,420 --> 00:11:34,160 suggest they're 258 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:38,570 shifting the goal beyond just measurement towards more active automation. They're 259 00:11:38,570 --> 00:11:39,200 apparently working 260 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:43,330 on AI features to automate some of the more monotonous analysis tasks, maybe 261 00:11:43,330 --> 00:11:44,000 summarize 262 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:48,890 complex user journey information automatically. Okay. And perhaps more ambitiously 263 00:11:48,890 --> 00:11:50,160 integrating AI 264 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:54,720 into the actual development workflow. Like having the platform eventually suggest 265 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:55,440 or maybe even make 266 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:59,540 code changes to fix bugs, it identifies automatically. Yeah, definitely an 267 00:11:59,540 --> 00:12:00,800 evolution from just being a 268 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:04,350 data collector to potentially be more like a product co-pilot. That's quite a 269 00:12:04,350 --> 00:12:05,280 vision. So I 270 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:09,240 guess the key takeaway here is that this isn't really just one tool or even just a 271 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:09,920 collection 272 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:15,580 of tools. It's more like a unified, very open and incredibly transparent ecosystem 273 00:12:15,580 --> 00:12:16,400 designed to give 274 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:21,190 product engineers that single source of truth, hopefully eliminating some of the 275 00:12:21,190 --> 00:12:22,160 guesswork and 276 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:26,120 maybe even the security risks that come from having all these disparate data 277 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:27,760 sources. Indeed. 278 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:33,730 And maybe for a final provocative thought, the sources mentioned their unique 279 00:12:33,730 --> 00:12:34,800 culture, 280 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:38,000 including this one time they apparently sent customers a floppy disk that turned 281 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:38,320 out to be 282 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:42,950 a rickroll. Okay. Which is fun, sure. But underlying that is that transparency we 283 00:12:42,950 --> 00:12:43,680 talked about sharing 284 00:12:43,680 --> 00:12:47,680 their strategy, their sales manual, their inner workings. That's what feels really 285 00:12:47,680 --> 00:12:48,400 foundational. 286 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:52,880 And the question for you, the listener might be, if a company is that open about 287 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:53,680 how they operate 288 00:12:53,680 --> 00:12:57,140 internally, how much does that influence your trust when you're deciding whether to 289 00:12:57,140 --> 00:12:57,680 build your 290 00:12:57,680 --> 00:13:01,530 own mission critical product on their platform? That openness, maybe it isn't just 291 00:13:01,530 --> 00:13:02,160 a feature, 292 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:05,870 maybe it's a kind of security and confidence guarantee in itself. That's a great 293 00:13:05,870 --> 00:13:06,240 question 294 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:10,090 to leave you with. Thank you for joining us for this deep dive into PostHawk. And 295 00:13:10,090 --> 00:13:10,640 once again, 296 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:14,960 a big thank you to SafeServer for the support of this deep dive that helps you with 297 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:15,280 digital 298 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:22,320 transformation and hosting of software. More information can be found at www.bigsafeserver.de. 299 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:23,360 We'll see you next time.