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Welcome to The Deep Dive, the show where we plunge into a stack of sources to

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really pull

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out the knowledge nuggets that matter, helping you cut through all the noise.

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OK, let's dive in. Today we are tackling something, well, I think pretty universal

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for anyone

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who likes cooking.

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Or even just eating, really.

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It's managing that constantly growing pile of digital recipes.

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Oh yeah, we've all got them, haven't we?

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Saved links that vanish, screenshots buried somewhere, notes you can't quite

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decipher.

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It really is a digital recipe jungle out there, bookmarks leading to nowhere, PDFs

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lost in

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some random folder.

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I definitely have that ingredient swap, I wrote on a napkin somewhere, it can be

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total

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chaos.

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Exactly.

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And to try and make some sense of it all, we've been digging into the sources

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around

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this application called Tandor Recipes.

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We've looked at its GitHub repository that gives you a look under the hood, you

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know,

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the tech and the community side.

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And we've also looked at the official website, which is sort of how they present it

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to the

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world.

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Yeah, and our mission for this deep dive really is to unpack these sources and give

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you a

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clear kind of beginner-friendly picture.

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Like what is Tandor Recipes?

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Why would you use it?

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And probably most importantly, what can it actually do for someone who feels like

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they're

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drowning in recipe links?

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Okay, let's start right at the beginning then.

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When you first look at Tandor Recipes, what did the sources tell us it's

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fundamentally

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designed to be?

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Well, based on everything we've seen, Tandor Recipes is, at its heart, an

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application specifically

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built for managing your recipes.

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Its core purpose, like what the developers in the documentation really hammer home,

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giving you a single, structured place to store, organize, and importantly, actually

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use all

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those digital recipes you've saved or even created yourself.

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Right, like building your own personal, perfectly organized digital cookbook.

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Okay, so it's a central spot.

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But why bother, right?

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I mean, what specific problems are the sources saying Tandor is really trying to

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solve for

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people like us in the kitchen?

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Ah, yeah, this is where the sources really hit on those common frustrations.

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They talk about digging through old handwritten notes or maybe hefty physical cookbooks

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and this is a big one, scrolling endlessly through those websites just packed with

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ads.

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The ad-packed blogs.

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You spend five minutes just trying to find the actual recipe text sometimes.

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Tell me about it.

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Or, you know, losing the links to recipes you really liked or maybe you have a

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digital

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collection but it's such a mess you can't actually search it properly.

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Yeah, that sounds familiar.

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So the sources basically position Tandor as the solution to that digital mess.

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The website Copy actually says its goal is to revolutionize how you keep recipes,

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moving

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you away from that scattered, unreliable approach we all fall into.

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Okay, revolutionizing sounds good.

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So for someone who just wants to get organized, maybe isn't super technical, what

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key sort of basic features that help them do that?

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What do the sources highlight first?

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Right, so the sources lay out some really foundational features for everyday users.

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First up, obviously, you need somewhere to put the recipes, that's recipe

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Tandor gives you a structured way to store them online.

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It uses a pretty powerful editor, so it's not just dumping text in.

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You can properly add ingredients, steps, cooking times, that sort of thing.

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So you're building a real database, not just a text file.

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Building a proper database.

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So you're building in one place, structured, okay, but once it's in there, the next

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hurdle is finding it again, right?

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And that's the second core feature they talk about, finding recipes.

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Tandor lets you search your whole collection easily.

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And what the sources really emphasize here, as a key benefit, is searching not just

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the recipe name, but also by the ingredients you already have on hand.

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Oh, okay, that's interesting.

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The classic, what can I make with this random assortment of things in my fridge

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Question, that feels like a really practical thing for the sources to highlight.

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It's huge, right?

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It basically turns your pantry into like a search filter.

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And they also make it clear that this works wherever you are and on every device.

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So desktop, phone in the kitchen, wherever.

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Okay, finding recipes based on what I have.

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But then you need to turn recipes into actual food.

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That usually means shopping lists and maybe some planning.

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Does it help there?

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The sources cover that too.

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There's solid features for shopping lists and meal planning.

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For shopping lists, you can automatically create one from a recipe or even for

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recipes if you've planned out some meals.

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Plus you can add your own random items too.

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Standard shopping list stuff.

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And they specifically mentioned sorting based on like your typical supermarket

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layout, which

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is actually quite clever for making the shopping trip faster.

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Wait, sorted by supermarket aisle?

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So if you want to get a meal from the sources, that's genuinely useful.

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That's practical convenience and meal planning.

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What about that?

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Meal planning.

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It lets you schedule out your meals, days, weeks, whatever you need.

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You can drag and drop recipes onto a calendar view manually, or the sources

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are even automatic ways to help fill it out.

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And just like with the recipes, you can generate a shopping list directly from your

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meal plan

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or even export the whole plan to your regular calendar app.

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So it helps you go from recipe chaos to like a planned week with an automatically

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shopping list.

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That's tackling several pain points at once.

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And you know, for a lot of people, cooking isn't just something you do alone.

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So the sources also really emphasize sharing and collaboration.

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You can share specific recipes with friends or, and this seems quite unique, you

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invite people into your personal cookbook space.

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Like a shared family cookbook.

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You can even mark some recipes a secret.

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Just for you.

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The philosophy behind it, according to the sources, seems to be that cooking and

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managing

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recipes can and maybe should be more cooperative.

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Bringing the whole team into the digital kitchen, huh?

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Okay, those essentials already sound like a huge step up from, you know, sticky

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and broken links.

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But the sources also talked about more advanced stuff, right?

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Others for maybe power users or people who just want more fine-grained control.

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The sources list quite a few extra capabilities that add real depth.

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A big one is importing.

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They specifically call out having a URL importer that can apparently grab recipes

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from thousands

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That saves a ton of time.

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That's pretty key if you're migrating, say, from another app you've been using.

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The supported formats are apparently listed in their documentation.

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well covered.

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You mentioned search earlier.

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Does it get fancier than just searching my ingredients?

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The sources describe the search as being powerful and customizable.

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It does full text search, obviously, but it also mentions more advanced things like

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similarity, which basically helps find stuff even if you have typos or slight

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in names.

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The takeaway is it's built to be really good at digging out exactly what you need,

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as your collection grows.

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That's good to know for when you have hundreds or thousands of recipes and keeping

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all that

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consistent ingredients spelled slightly differently, things like that.

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Any tools for tidying up?

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The sources detail various organization tools.

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You can use tags a lot and even assign them in badges using filters, which is handy.

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ingredients, tags,

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or units if you end up with duplicates or inconsistencies.

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It helps keep your data clean, which is important for things like calculations.

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Calculations.

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You mentioned that.

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What kind of calculations can it do?

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Does it help with nutrition or cost?

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Tandor apparently has the capability built in to automatically calculate things

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The examples given are things like nutritional values, prices, diet points, or

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You need to input the base data for your ingredients obviously, but the engine is

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number crunching for you once it's set up.

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Automatic nutritional info.

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Okay, that shows some serious depth.

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What about just basic recipe stuff like fractions, you know, half a cup, quarter

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teaspoon?

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Sources explicitly say it supports fractions or decimals, which is pretty essential,

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for recipes to display properly and scale correctly.

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The details are covered.

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And for folks who like their own backups or using things like Dropbox, any file syncing?

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The sources note file sync support with services like Dropbox and Nextcloud, so you

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it with your existing file storage setup.

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And can you make it look nice?

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Optimize the appearance?

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Theming is mentioned.

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So you can tweak the interface to match your style.

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it feel like a polished app, you know.

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It's optimized for mobile, supports multiple languages through community localization.

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It can scale recipes up or down for different serving sizes.

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It compresses images to save space and load faster.

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It really sounds like they've tried to think of, well, pretty much everything from

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organization to advanced data stuff and just making it easy to use.

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So someone listening is probably thinking, okay, this sounds pretty good.

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How do I actually get it?

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The sources explain that, right?

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And there are basically two main paths laid out.

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This is the more technical route where you take the software and run it yourself on

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own server, maybe a home server or a cloud instance you control.

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And the sources really emphasize this point.

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The core Tandor software is completely open source and always will be.

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So self-hosting is for the tinkers, people comfortable with managing software who

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total control over their data and setup.

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What kind of setups do they mention?

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They list several common ones, Docker, Unraid, Synology, Kubernetes.

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So standard deployment options for people in that space.

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It gives you the maximum flexibility and ownership basically.

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Got it.

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So people who here manage your own server and immediately think, nope, not for me,

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the other option?

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That's the hosted version.

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This is offered directly by the Tandor developers themselves.

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It's much simpler basically, a ready-to-go service.

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They handle all the technical stuff.

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You just sign up and use it.

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Like a sauce model.

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And they have different levels.

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They offer a free plan, which seems designed just for trying it out, no strings

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attached.

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It supports one user and up to 10 recipes.

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And they have paid plans, basic, standard, and premium.

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And what's the main difference between those paid plans, according to the sources?

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The big things are unlimited recipes on all paid plans, but the number of members

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or users

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increases one on basic, three on standard, ten on premium.

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And the standard and premium plans also come with storage space for uploading

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recipe-related

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files like maybe a PDF cookbook or photos, which the free and basic plans don't

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have.

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How much storage?

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The sources say two GB on standard and five GB on premium.

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And did the sources mention anything about special pricing for those hosted plans?

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Yes, actually.

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Their website lists specific pricing, and they mention it's permanently discounted.

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So it seems like if you decide the host route is easier and you need more than the

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plan offers, the paid options are presented as an accessible way to get those extra

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and support the project.

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So whether you're techie and want control, or just want a service that works.

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Now the sources also mention supporting the project because it is open source,

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by volunteers mostly.

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How does that work?

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passionate about it, but they also want to make it sustainable.

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So one way is supporting developers directly through GitHub sponsors.

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They also have hosting referral links.

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They specifically mentioned Hetzner.

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If you sign up through their link, you get some starting credit and the project

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gets

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a small kickback.

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And importantly, using the paid hosted version is presented as a direct way to fund

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development.

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The profits from that service go back into improving the open source software for

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everyone.

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That's a really interesting loop, isn't it?

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Paying for the convenience of the hosted service directly helps fund the

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development of the

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free self-hosted version.

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What about getting involved in the community beyond money?

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The sources point to a few things there.

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There's a public Discord server.

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Apparently, the developers hang out there.

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You can chat with other users.

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They have a Twitter account for news.

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And naturally, being open source, they welcome code contributions, although they

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to read their contribution guidelines first, which is standard.

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And you can also give feedback through a Google survey that's linked on their site.

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So it definitely sounds like an open project with lots of ways to connect.

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Let's touch briefly on the licensing.

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The sources mentioned it.

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It sounds potentially complicated, but how do they explain their approach and

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philosophy

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behind it?

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Simply.

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So they state that as of a specific version, 0.1, 0.0, the software uses the GNU AGPL

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v3

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license, but with something called a common clause selling exception.

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Now, the why behind this, as the sources explain it, is really key.

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They say this software and all its features are and will always be free for

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everyone to

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use and enjoy.

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Always be free.

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That's a pretty strong commitment.

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So the hosted version, the paid one, fits in because of that selling exception

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clause.

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The sources clarify that this exception is what allows them to offer the hosted

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as a commercial service.

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And the money they made from that service then lets the core developers spend more

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time

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actually improving the software for everyone, including all the people who self-host

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the

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free version.

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It's basically their model for keeping the open source side alive and kicking.

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So it's about sustainability for the free version.

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Precisely.

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They do acknowledge, according to the sources, that there are some ongoing legal

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discussions

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around this specific licensing approach.

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They actually point people to a specific GitHub issue, issue 238, if you really

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want to dive

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into the nitty gritty details and their reasoning.

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Okay.

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Good to know there's a place for the deep dive on the legal side if people are

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interested.

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But the core philosophy seems clear.

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Make the software free and open, use an optional PED service to fund that

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development.

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It's a model you see more and more in open source.

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Yeah.

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And what feels quite transparent here, based on the sources, is how explicitly they

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connect

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the success of that paid service back to their promise of keeping the software

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itself free

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and available for the community.

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Okay.

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Well, we have covered a ton of ground today, from just the basic idea of managing

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recipes

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all the way through Tandor's features, how you get it, how you can support it, and

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the

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sort of thinking behind it all.

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Yeah, I mean, based on these sources, Tandor Recipes really positions itself as a,

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well,

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a very comprehensive and flexible answer to that digital recipe mess we talked

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about.

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Whether you're just starting out and want something simple, or you're looking for

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really

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advanced features and total control.

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And you know, this whole deep dive into organizing our digital recipes, it kind of

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mirrors that

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bigger challenge so many of us face, right?

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It's just organizing all the information flying at us these days.

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Just like Tandoor aims to help structure your cooking knowledge, hopefully this

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deep dive

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helps structure your understanding of Tandoor itself based on these different

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sources.

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It really does raise an interesting final thought, drawing from these sources.

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In this world, just saturated with digital stuff, what do you actually value most

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when

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it comes to managing your own personal knowledge?

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Is it the speed of quick access?

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Is it the ability to go deep into structured detail?

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Or is it maybe the power to share and collaborate with others on that knowledge?

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Hmm, definitely something to chew on as you navigate your own information streams.

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And once again, a big thank you to SafeServer for supporting this deep dive.

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They help with software hosting and navigating your digital transformation.

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You can find out more at www.safeserver.de.

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Until the next deep dive.