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Welcome to the deep dive. This is where we take a stack of sources,

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cut through the noise and really pull out the key insights for you.

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You can find out more over at www.safeserver.de again,

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that's www.safeserver.de. Okay.

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So let's get into it today. We're looking at the Lounge.

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Our sources are pretty straightforward excerpts from its GitHub repository,

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you know, where the code lives and its official website.

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And our mission here is really to understand what the Lounge is,

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what its main features are and maybe unpack why someone who uses IRC or is maybe

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curious about it might find this project. Well, pretty interesting.

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We want to make it easy to grasp, especially if you're newer to this.

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Yeah. And what's really interesting, I think,

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is how the Lounge tries to bridge this gap. You've got IRC,

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which is, let's face it, pretty old technology, foundational even.

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But then you have modern web expectations, push notifications,

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seamless experience across devices. The Lounge tries to bring those together.

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Right. Exactly. So the sources describe it as a, let's see, modern,

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responsive cross-platform, self-hosted,

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web IRC client. That's quite a description,

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but basically it's a web interface for IRC, you know, internet relay chat,

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that classic text-based chat system, still the heart of a lot of online communities.

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And the Lounge isn't trying to replace IRC. It's offering a different,

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maybe more modern window into that world. The sources also mentioned,

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it's a community managed fork of an older project called Shout.

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So it has history, but it's actively developed now by the community itself.

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Okay. So if you've used like a really old school IRC client, you know,

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sometimes they feel a bit basic. Definitely desktop only,

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maybe you miss messages when you're offline, that kind of thing. Yeah.

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And that's where the lounge seems to really focus its efforts on these modern

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features. The sources highlight quite a few. Yeah.

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The first one that jumps out is push notifications.

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That's something we just expect now, right? With older IRC clients,

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you pretty much had to be at your computer with the client open to know if

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someone pinged you,

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but the lounge server runs constantly and the web client can send notifications

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to your phone or desktop, just like, you know, Slack or discord would,

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you actually know when something relevant happens.

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That's a big quality of life improvement. And they also mentioned link previews.

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Oh yeah. That's another good one. Instead of just seeing a raw URL,

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someone drops in chat and having no idea what it is. Exactly.

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The lounge shows a little preview, maybe an image or a summary.

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It just makes busy channels way easier to follow without clicking every single

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link. Makes sense. And, uh, new message markers seem simple,

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but probably really helpful. Super helpful. You look away for five minutes,

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come back, and there's a clear line showing you what's new.

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No more scrolling endlessly trying to find your place. Okay.

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And file uploads to directly through the web interface,

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which again is not something most traditional IRC clients handle smoothly.

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If at all these features, they're not just bells and whistles.

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They really change the feel of using IRC day to day. Right.

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They bring it more in line with what you access from a chat app in, well,

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the 21st century,

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but maybe the biggest things the sources emphasize are always connected and the

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synchronized experience. If you've used IRC for a while,

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these probably sound amazing.

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They really are game changers for IRC.

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So traditionally your IRC client connects directly from your computer.

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If you turn off your computer or your internet drops, you're disconnected.

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You miss everything. Exactly.

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People used to run separate things called bouncers like ZNC on servers just to

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stay connected and buffer messages. Okay. So how does the lounge handle this?

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Well, the lounge server basically acts as that bouncer. It's built in.

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You install the server part on a machine that's always on maybe a home server,

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maybe a VPS. That server stays connected to your IRC networks 24 seven.

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Then your web browser connects to your lounge server. Ah, okay.

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So even if I close my laptop,

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your lounge server is still online, still connected to IRC,

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still collecting messages for you.

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Got it. And that leads into the synchronized experience part, right?

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Precisely because your lounge server is the single point holding your connection

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and message history. It doesn't matter which device you use to connect to it.

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You open it on your desktop, see everything up to the current moment.

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Then you open the web app on your phone. It's exactly the same.

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Same scroll position, same read messages. Exactly the same.

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You pick up right where you left off. No matter the device, it syncs everything.

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That's a huge difference from juggling separate clients. Yeah.

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That sounds much more like a modern messaging app.

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And this is all possible because it's self-hosted,

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which means you run the server part. Right. And that gives you control.

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It's your server, your logs, your connection details.

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You're not relying on a third party company's infrastructure for your chat

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history.

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For people who care about privacy or just want full control over their tools,

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that self-hosting aspect is a really big plus. And related to that,

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the sources mentioned multi-user support.

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So you can run one server instance and let friends or maybe colleagues have their

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own accounts on it. Yeah. They connect to your lounge server,

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but manage their own separate IRC connections and settings through it.

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Kind of like running your own private IRC gateway. Interesting. Okay.

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What about getting it running? Technical side, accessibility.

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The sources say it's cross-platform basically anywhere Node.js runs,

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which covers Windows, Mac OS, Linux, you know, the usual suspects.

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Okay. So you need that installed. Anything specific? Yeah.

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They mentioned needing the latest Node.js LTS version or newer,

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and they recommend using YARN as the package manager, but NPM works too,

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just with a specific flag. Standard stuff for Node apps, really. Pretty much.

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And they also mentioned a Docker option later,

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which can make installation even easier for some people,

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kind of bundles everything up. And once it's running,

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how do you actually use it? Through the web interface,

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which they describe as responsive.

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Meaning it adapts to different screen sizes. Exactly.

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Big desktop monitor, laptop, tablet, phone.

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It should resize and reflow nicely. So it's usable everywhere,

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which is pretty crucial if you want that seamless,

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synchronized experience across devices. Makes sense.

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You need it to work well on your phone if you're switching from your desktop.

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Definitely. And the other big thing for many people,

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especially in this space is that it's free and open source software. Right.

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MIT licensed the sources say. Yeah. Which is very permissive.

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It means the code's open. People can check it, contribute to it, adapt it,

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builds trust. Speaking of contributing and community,

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the GitHub repository stats give some clues there, right? They do. Uh,

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the sources mentioned 5.9 K stars. That's, that's a lot.

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Shows significant interest and over 700 forks. Yeah.

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708 forks meaning people are actively copying the code to experiment or maybe

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build on it. It suggests a lively community. And the language is used.

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Type script view, CSS, JavaScript,

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pretty standard modern web tech stack makes sense for a web client.

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And it likely helps attract developers who know these tools.

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And it seems actively developed. They mentioned a version number V 4.4.43

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as recent and maybe more importantly,

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over 165 contributors listed. That's not just one or two people.

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It's a broad base working on it.

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That's usually a good sign for a project's health and future. Okay.

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So if someone listening is thinking, all right, this sounds interesting.

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I want to try it. Where should they go?

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The main place, according to the sources is the official website,

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the lounge dot chat, the lounge dot chat. Got it. What's there?

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Pretty much everything you'd need to get started.

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Documentation is key installation guides, upgrade instructions, how to use it,

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how to configure things. Okay. They also apparently have step-by-step guides,

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a live demo you can try in your browser, which is cool.

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A demo is nice. Let's just see it before installing. Yeah.

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And specific instructions for Docker, which we mentioned can simplify setup.

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Any warnings or things to watch out for during setup?

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Well, they do mention you can run it directly from the source code.

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Like if you clone the GitHub repo,

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but they put a big caution sign on that saying it's not for production.

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It's really just for developers who want to tinker or contribute. Right.

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So stick to the official install methods for actual use. Definitely.

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And they also give the standard, but important warning.

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Don't run it as the root user basic security practice for any server software.

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Good that they call that up. Anything else on the community side?

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The sources mentioned the repository has things like a code of conduct and a

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security policy, which might seem like boiler plate,

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but they're good indicators of a mature project that thinks about how its

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community operates and handles potential issues. Okay.

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So let's try and wrap this up. If you're someone who uses IRC or maybe used to,

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what's the core pitch for the lounge?

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I think it's about taking the solid foundation of IRC, the protocol,

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the communities and making it feel modern and convenient.

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It tackles those old frustrations like being disconnected or having different

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experiences on different devices. Right. It offers that always on connection,

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the synchronized view everywhere, all through a responsive web interface,

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you can access from anywhere.

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And you get the control that comes with self hosting it, your data, your server,

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plus the modern features like notifications and previews.

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So it's kind of a unified, flexible feature rich way to access IRC today,

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built by an active open source community,

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which leads to maybe a final thought to ponder based just on what we've discussed

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from the sources. Isn't it interesting how a project like this takes something

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quite old like IRC,

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but combines it with modern web tech and open source collaboration to create

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something that feels genuinely relevant and useful right now.

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It's kind of a neat example of how older technologies can be revitalized,

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not just replaced. That's a great point.

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It shows evolution rather than just discarding the past. Indeed. Well,

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as we finish up this deep dive, a final thank you to our supporter, Safe Server.

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If you're thinking about hosting maybe for the lounge or need help with

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digital transformation, do check them out. The address is www.safeserver.de.

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Thanks for joining us for this look into the lounge. We hope that was helpful.