Today's Deep-Dive: Element
Ep. 60

Today's Deep-Dive: Element

Episode description

The discussion focuses on secure and sovereign communications through the platform Element, which empowers users to control their online conversations. Sponsored by Safeserver, the conversation highlights Element’s foundation on the Matrix standard, enabling seamless communication across different platforms while prioritizing data security. Element is described as a user-friendly messaging app that offers flexibility in how users manage their data, including options for self-hosting or using managed services. The three core values of Element are trust, choice, and freedom, with trust established through end-to-end encryption, ensuring only intended recipients can access messages. Users have the choice to host their own servers or rely on Element’s managed hosting, catering to varying technical comfort levels. Freedom is emphasized through interoperability, allowing communication with anyone on the Matrix network and the ability to create customized communication spaces. The conversation also touches on the open-source nature of Element and Matrix, fostering community involvement and innovation. Overall, Element represents a shift towards a more user-centric approach in online communication, challenging the dominance of big tech platforms. The discussion concludes by encouraging listeners to consider how these features might change their approach to online communication.

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Hey everyone and welcome back for another deep dive. Today we're going to be

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talking about

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secure and sovereign communications. Okay. And specifically we're going to be

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looking at a

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platform called Element. But before we get started I want to thank this episode's

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sponsor

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Safeserver. They are your partners for digital transformation and they can take

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software like Element and also advise you on your digital journey. More information

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can be found at

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www.safeserver.de. Alright so secure and sovereign communication. Sounds a little

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bit intimidating

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right? Yeah it does. But it's really all about putting you back in control of your

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online

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conversations. Right. That's really what it's all about. And so that's where

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Element comes in and

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I've got an expert with me to help break it all down. Wonderful. In a way that even

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I can understand.

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Well it really is all about giving you that power. You know that power to choose

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how your data is

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handled and who you trust with it. So imagine a world where your messages are truly

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private

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and you're not reliant on big tech companies to keep your conversations secure. Now

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you're

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talking my language. Yeah. But I am getting a little bit of flashbacks to those

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complicated

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privacy policies. Okay. You know that we all just blindly agree to. I hear you. So

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is this going to

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be one of those deep dives that's just headache inducing? Not at all. No Element

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actually simplifies

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things by building on this concept called the Matrix standard. You can think of it

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like email.

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You know, you can use Gmail to send messages to someone using Yahoo. Yeah, right.

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Because email

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is kind of like the universal language of the internet. Exactly. And that's what

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Matrix does

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for real time communication. It allows different platforms to talk to each other

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seamlessly,

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all while keeping your data secure and under your control. All right. I am starting

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to see the appeal

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here. So Element is like a messaging app. Yeah. But it uses this Matrix thing. Yes.

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To make sure

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my conversations are private and that I can talk to anyone regardless of what app

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they're using.

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Exactly. You got it. Element puts you in the driver's seat. They're all about

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transparency

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and giving you that choice of how you manage your data. So it's not just about

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chatting with

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friends. This is about control over my digital life. Absolutely. So now Element

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achieves this

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with a pretty clever approach. Okay. Think of it like a three layer cake. Oh, three

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layer cake.

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Okay. So you've got the top layer, which is the element app itself. That's where

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all the

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conversations happen. Very user friendly. And it feels very familiar if you've used

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any messaging

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app. Okay. Got it. So the element app, that's what I'm actually using to send

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messages. Exactly. What

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about the next layer down? So that's where it gets interesting. Okay. The middle

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layer is called the

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element server suite or ESS. And this is the behind the scenes powerhouse. It gives

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you control

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over things like where your data is stored, who has access to it. Think of it like

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having your

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own private email server, but for all your element conversations. Hold on my own

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server. That sounds

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pretty intense for someone like me who can barely set up their wifi router. Don't

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worry. You don't

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have to become a tech wizard overnight. Element offers different options for the ESS.

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If you are

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tech savvy, you can go the self-hosting route, have complete control, but for most

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people they

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offer a managed solution where they take care of all the technical details for you.

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So it's like

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choosing between baking a cake from scratch or grabbing one from the bakery. You

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get the same

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delicious outcome either way. All right. That makes me feel a lot better. So I can

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either manage the

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server myself or let element handle it. Exactly. But what's that bottom layer of

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this communication

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cake? I'm assuming it's the matrix standard we talked about. You're exactly right.

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That matrix

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standard is the foundation that makes everything work together seamlessly. It's

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like the recipe

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that ensures no matter who baked the cake, what ingredients they used, it still

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tastes delicious.

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Even if my friend is using a completely different matrix based app, we can still

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chat because they're

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all speaking the same language. Precisely. And that's the beauty of this open

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standard.

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It breaks down the walls between platforms and it puts the power back in the hands

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of the users.

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Okay. I am starting to see how all of this fits together. Element is a user

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friendly app

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built on this powerful, flexible server suite. And it's all tied together by the

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matrix standard,

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which ensures I can communicate with anyone regardless of what app they're using.

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You're nailing it. And what's even cooler is that element is actually developed by

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the same people

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who created the matrix standard. So it's deeply integrated and it's designed to

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take full advantage

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of all of its features. Okay. That makes a lot of sense. It's like having the chef

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who invented the

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recipe, also baking the cake, right? You know, it's going to be good. But speaking

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of the inner

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workings, what about the actual software that runs these services? That's something

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I need to worry

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about. That's a great question. So the server software behind element is called synapse.

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You

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can think of it like the oven that bakes or metaphorical cake. Now we're really

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getting

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into the kitchen. We are. So tell me more about this synapse thing. Well, synapse

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is open source,

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meaning anyone can access and modify the code. This allows for incredible

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flexibility and

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transparency. But, um, with great power comes great responsibility, right? Yeah.

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There are

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some security considerations to keep in mind. Oh, now I'm starting to get nervous

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again.

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Is this where I need my I.T. degree? Not necessarily. Okay. While the technical

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details

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might seem a little daunting, the important thing is to be aware of the potential

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risks

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and take appropriate precautions. For example, the Synapse documentation strongly

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advises

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against hosting it on the same domain as other web applications. Wait, so even

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though

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Element prides itself on security, there's still a risk if things aren't set up

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properly.

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It's more about understanding that Synapse is a powerful tool that needs to be

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handled with care.

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Think of it like a professional grade oven. You wouldn't just plug it in anywhere

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and expect

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everything to work perfectly. Right. You need to make sure it's in the right

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environment,

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configured correctly. Makes sense. So choosing the right hosting environment

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and setup is crucial, whether I'm self-hosting or using Element's managed solution.

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Exactly. And that's where Element's focus on choice comes in. They give you the

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flexibility

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to choose a hosting setup that aligns with your comfort level and security needs.

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Okay. So whether I'm a tech savvy user who wants full control or someone who

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prefers more of a

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hands-off approach, Element has me covered. Right. But now I'm curious. We've

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talked about the

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technical side of things. What's the big picture vision behind Element? What are

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they ultimately

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trying to achieve? Well, on their website, Element highlights three core values.

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Okay. Trust, choice,

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and freedom. Ooh, I like the sound of that. What do those values actually mean in

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practice? How

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do they translate into my everyday experience using Element? That's where it gets

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really

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interesting. Oh, a cliffhanger. Yeah. Guess we'll have to wait for part two to find

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out. But before

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we go, let's give another shout out to our sponsor, Safeserver, for making this

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deep dive possible.

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You can learn more about their digital transformation services at www.safeserver.de.

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Thanks for sticking

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with us. We'll be right back to unpack those core values and explore how Element is

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putting users

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back in control of their online communication. See you soon. All right. So let's

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dive into those core

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values. Starting with trust, Element builds trust by using end-to-end encryption

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for all conversations.

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Okay, but end-to-end encryption sounds pretty technical. What does that actually

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mean for me

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as a user? Think of it like sending a letter in a sealed envelope. Okay. Only the

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person with the

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key can open it and read the message. In this case, the key is a special code that's

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only shared

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between the people in the conversation. Not even Element itself can access your

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messages. So it's

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like having a truly private conversation. Yeah. Where no one can eavesdrop, not

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even the app itself.

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Exactly. That's impressive. And that level of privacy is essential for building

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trust,

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especially when it comes to sensitive information or business communications. Makes

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sense. So we've

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got trust covered. What about choice? How does Element give users more choices when

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it comes

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to communication? It all comes back to that middle layer we talked about, the

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Element Server Suite or

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ESS. Okay. Remember how you can choose to self-host or use Element's managed

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solution? Yeah, like

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choosing between baking a cake from scratch or grabbing one from the bakery.

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Exactly. That choice

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extends to where your data is stored and who has access to it. If you're concerned

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about data

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privacy, you can host your own server in a location you trust, maybe even in your

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own home.

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If you're feeling adventurous. Wow, I never thought about hosting my own server

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before,

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but what if I'm not comfortable with all that technical stuff? That's where Elements

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Managed

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Hosting comes in. They take care of all the complexities of running a server,

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ensuring your

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data is secure and backed up. It's like having a dedicated IT team just for your

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element conversations.

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Okay, so whether I want complete control or a more hands-off approach, Element

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gives me the choice.

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It does. That's pretty empowering. It really sets Elements apart from traditional

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messaging

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platforms where you have very little say in how your data is handled. All right, so

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we've got

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trust through end-to-end encryption and choice in how we manage our data. What

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about freedom?

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How does that play out in the Elements world? Freedom in Elements comes in a couple

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of forms.

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First, it's the freedom to communicate with anyone on the Matrix network,

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regardless of

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what app they're using. Remember, Matrix is like the universal language of real-time

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communication.

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So it's like being able to send emails to anyone, no matter if they use Gmail or

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Yahoo or Outlook.

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Precisely. No more walled gardens. Yeah. Or being forced to use a specific app just

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to talk to

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certain people. I love that. But isn't that how most messaging apps work already?

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Unfortunately,

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no. Many popular apps lock you into their ecosystem. If your friends aren't using

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the same app,

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you're out of luck. Element breaks down those barriers, and it puts the focus on

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interoperability

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and user choice. Okay, that makes sense. Freedom to communicate with anyone.

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Regardless of their app,

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what's the other kind of freedom Element offers? The second kind of freedom is the

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freedom to

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structure your communication spaces the way you want. Element gives you the tools

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to create public

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or private rooms, invite specific people, set different permission levels, and even

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integrate

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with other apps and services. So it's not just about one-on-one chats. It's about

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building entire

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communities and collaborative spaces tailored to my specific needs. You got it.

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Element empowers you

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to create the kind of digital environment that works best for you, whether it's a

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team project

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or a community forum or just a private group chat with your closest friends. This

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is all starting

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to click for me. Yeah. Element takes the best aspects of email, the universality,

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the control,

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the privacy, and brings them to the world of real-time communication. It's like

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having a

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supercharged email experience, but with all the immediacy and convenience of

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instant messaging.

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And they're doing it in a way that puts users first, prioritizing transparency and

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data ownership.

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It's a refreshing change from the status quo of big tech platforms that often

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prioritize their

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own interests over those of their users. I'm getting some serious aha moments here.

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So to

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recap, Element provides trust through end-to-end encryption, choice in how we

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manage our data,

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and freedom to connect with anyone and build the communication spaces we want.

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Exactly. And it's all built on the solid foundation of the open source matrix

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standard,

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ensuring a decentralized and interoperable ecosystem.

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This deep dive has completely changed the way I think about online communication.

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It's not just about convenience anymore. It's about taking back control of our

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digital lives

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and building a more trustworthy and empowering online experience.

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Couldn't have said it better myself. Element is a shining example of how technology

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can be used

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to create a more equitable and user-centric internet. You know, it's inspiring to

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see this

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kind of innovation happening. It gives me hope that we can build a better digital

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future where

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our privacy and autonomy are respected. Absolutely. Element and the matrix standard

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are paving the way for a more decentralized and secure internet where users have

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the power to

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choose how their data is used and who they trust with it. Speaking of trust, let's

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not forget about

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our sponsor, SafeServer, who are experts in navigating this evolving digital

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landscape

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journey,

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be sure to check them out at www.safeserver.de. And now for a final thought-provoking

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question

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for our listeners. Now that you've seen how Element prioritizes security choice and

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freedom,

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how might this change the way you approach online communication? What possibilities

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does it open up

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for you? That's a great question to ponder. It really challenges us to reconsider

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our assumptions

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about what's possible in the digital world and to explore alternatives that

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prioritize user

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empowerment and data ownership. And that, my friend, is what the deep dive is all

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about.

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Thanks for joining us on this exploration of Element. And the world of secure and

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sovereign communication, you know, it feels like we've only just scratched the

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surface.

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Of what's possible with Element and the Matrix standard. Yeah, it's true. There's a

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whole

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universe of features and possibilities we haven't even touched on, like the ability

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to create custom

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bots, build bridges to other communication platforms, and even develop your own

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integrations.

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It's amazing to think that this is all built on open source technology.

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Anyone can contribute to the development of Matrix and Element, which creates a

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real sense

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of community and shared ownership. And that community aspect is really what sets

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Element

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apart. It's not just about the technology itself, it's about the people who are

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passionate about

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building a more decentralized and user-centric internet. It's inspiring to see

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people coming

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together to create something that truly benefits everyone, not just a select few or

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a big corporation.

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Exactly. It's a reminder that we have more power than we realize to shape the

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digital world we want

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to live in. Well said. So to wrap things up, Element offers a powerful and secure

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alternative

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to traditional communication platforms. It's built on the open source matrix

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standard,

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which allows for incredible flexibility and interoperability. And most importantly,

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it puts users in control, giving them the choice of how their data is handled and

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who they trust

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with it. If you're looking for a way to take back control of your online

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communication

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and join a community that's building a better digital future, Element is definitely

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worth

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exploring. And if you need help navigating the technical side of things, remember

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our sponsor

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Safeserver is there to guide you. They can help you set up your own server or

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choose a hosting

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solution that meets your needs. You can find them at www.safeserver.de. Thanks

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again to Safeserver

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for supporting this deep dive. And thank you for joining us. We hope this

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exploration of Element

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has sparked your curiosity and inspired you to explore the possibilities of a more

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and sovereign digital world. Until next time, keep diving deep.

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and sovereign digital world. Until next time, keep diving deep.