Today's Deep-Dive: Nightmare before christmas - the happy holiday edition
Ep. 62

Today's Deep-Dive: Nightmare before christmas - the happy holiday edition

Episode description

This episode celebrates the holiday season by exploring the themes of “The Nightmare Before Christmas.” It highlights the journey of Jack Skellington, the Pumpkin King of Halloween Town, who, despite his success, feels a sense of emptiness. His curiosity leads him to Christmas Town, where he becomes obsessed with the holiday spirit, yet struggles to convey its essence to his Halloween-themed community. This clash of perspectives results in chaotic attempts to take over Christmas, ultimately leading to misunderstandings and mishaps. Sally, a character with foresight, tries to warn Jack of impending disaster but is ignored, showcasing the importance of listening to voices of reason. As Jack’s plans unravel, he learns valuable lessons about identity, responsibility, and the consequences of his actions. In the end, he redeems himself by rescuing Santa and embracing his true role in Halloween Town, while also acknowledging his feelings for Sally. The story emphasizes the significance of finding joy in unexpected places and staying true to oneself. The page concludes with holiday wishes and a reminder of the upcoming break and future content.

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Happy holidays everybody. It's that time of year again. Yeah, and to celebrate

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We're doing a deep dive into a story that really captures that that spirit the

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spirit of the season, you know

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Yeah, think excitement

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generosity

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Finding joy. Yeah, even a little bit about the magic of stepping outside your

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comfort zone

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I love that. I love it. It's a classic tale

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It is with themes that resonate death that no matter what you celebrate this time

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of year. Absolutely

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Our main character. Yep, is incredibly successful. Mm-hmm admired by everyone. He

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is

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But he still feels like something's missing, right? Does that feeling sound

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familiar to you at all?

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Definitely, I think we all can relate to that feeling of like, you know, you've

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reached a certain point

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But there's still something more right even when things are going well

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You know, even when things are going well, it's that yearning for something more

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Yeah, that's a powerful motivator

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It is and it's what sets our protagonist. Yeah, Jack Skellington on quite an

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adventure on an adventure

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Okay, so picture this Halloween town a place where every day is

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Halloween

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Spooky full of spooky delights. Yeah, and at the heart of it all is Jack Skellington

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the pumpkin king the pumpkin king

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Yes, he's beloved by his community. He is for his spectacular Halloween creation

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Yeah, Halloween is his thing. But he's feeling what's he feeling a bit stagnant

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stagnant?

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Okay, kind of like he's done it all, you know, yeah, he's reached the pinnacle

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Yeah of success in his world, but there's this nagging sense of emptiness

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It's fascinating how even achieving your goals right doesn't always bring

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fulfillment, right?

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It's like I think it should right? Yeah, you would think so you get to the top of

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the mountain and you're like, yeah

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Alright, I made it. This is it. But then you're like now what now what that's kind

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of where he's at

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Okay, and that's what leads him to

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Stumble stumble fun. Okay Christmas town. Oh interesting a place. That's like the

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polar opposite of his own world completely different vibe

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Yeah, okay. It's vibrant

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Joyful full of warmth and wonder things

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He's never seen things Jack has never experienced before right and he becomes

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absolutely fixated on it

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I mean I can understand it's shiny and new. It's so new. It's excited. It's like he's

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discovered a whole new dimension

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Yeah, like a whole different way of experiencing the world that can be both

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Exhilarating and overwhelming wouldn't you say absolutely? So Jack tries to explain

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this Christmas thing?

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Oh boy, how's that gonna go to the residents of Halloween town this I got here, but

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think about it

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How do you explain Christmas to a bunch of ghouls and goblins?

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It's like oil and water. I know it's not gonna mix. It's hilarious. It is a clash

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of perspectives

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Totally, they're excited for sure, but they also yeah completely misinterpret the

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whole concept, right?

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It highlights how our own experiences. Yeah shape our understanding of new ideas

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Yeah, even something as seemingly universal as holiday cheer. Totally

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Oh, and we can't forget Sally. Oh

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Sally she's totally smitten with Jack. She is head over heels, but has these

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Premonitions of disaster. Oh, no foreshadowing foreshadowing. I don't like it. She

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sees this whole Christmas obsession. Oh

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Going horribly wrong. Yeah, but no one listens to her warnings classic classic

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It never ends well when you don't listen to the warning ever like, you know, right?

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Yeah, you just know they're gonna go wrong

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So she's the voice of reason. Yeah, she is the one who sees well one with the clear

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eyes the potential consequences

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Her picture, but her concerns are brushed aside happens all the time

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Have you ever been in a situation where you felt like you could see trouble brewing?

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But no one else seemed to notice all the time. I feel like I'm always the one

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Really pointing out the potential pitfalls and everyone's just like yeah

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And it's like hello

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See the giant red flags giant red flag gave me right in front of your face. It

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could be incredibly frustrating

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Frustrating for sure. So Jack gets this grand idea. Okay, what's the grand idea to

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take over Christmas? Oh boy

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He's convinced he can do it better. All right, put his own unique spin on it. Jack's

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gonna put his own spin on it

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Okay, and the townspeople. All right, always eager to please they love their

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pumpkin king their pumpkin king

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I do jump right in to help. I mean you got to admire their enthusiasm, right?

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It's a testament to Jack's it is charisma and leadership. Yeah, but it also shows

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how easily

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Yeah, this is a good point group thing can take hold right?

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Especially when especially when there's a beloved figure leading the charge leading

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the charge and no one wants to question right a leader

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So we've got the whole town. Okay, we go working on this crazy plan. I am ready.

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They're making skeletal reindeer

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Uh-huh crafting spooky presents. This is gonna be good even knitting a Santa suit

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for Jack

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Oh my gosh, it's both hilarious

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It is and a little bit unnerving a little creepy, right? Yes. It really highlights

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that clash. Yeah between these two worlds. They're just such

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Different aesthetics different aesthetic night and day that Halloween aesthetic.

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Yeah imposed on this right joyous holiday

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It's like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole, right? It's just not gonna

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work and it sets the stage

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or here we go some truly

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Chaotic results. We're about to see some chaos unfold. Okay, I'm ready. So remember

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those mischievous trick-or-treaters. I do lock

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Shock and barrel the troublemakers. They are yeah, they're tasked with kidnapping

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Santa Claus

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Oh, no, but with very specific instructions to not okay involve their creepy boss

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Oogie boogie don't involve Oogie boogie

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Okay, got it, right? I feel like this is where things go wrong

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You think I have a feeling Oogie boogie is the embodiment of yeah

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Pure nightmare fuel sprayed up nightmare fuel even Jack even Jack knows better.

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Yeah than to involve him

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Yeah, you got to keep Oogie boogie out of it

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But of course, well, of course things don't exactly go never do according to plan

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It wouldn't be a very interesting story if they did right if everything went

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according to plan those little troublemakers

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Oh those guys don't follow directions

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I knew it and their decision to hand Santa over to Oogie boogie

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Of course sets off a chain of events here we go dominoes are falling that throws

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everything into disarray

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Chaos ensues. It's a classic example. Yeah of how even the best-laid plans

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Can go awry right when you underestimate when you underestimate the chaos factor

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chaos factor

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You just never know what those little guys are gonna do right? Yeah, they're

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unpredictable. It also speaks to the importance of

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Delegation and trust. Yeah, something I'm sure you can relate to in your own work.

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Oh

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Absolutely delegating can be a double-edged sword

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It can be you hope that the people you delegate to will carry out your vision

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But yeah, sometimes it goes off the rails it does sometimes even when you give

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clear instructions

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You think you've been crystal clear you think so, but somehow yeah, the message

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gets lost in translation

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Things can go sideways go sideways if you don't have the right people in place 100%

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you gotta have the right team

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Yeah, that's a lesson. We've all learned. I think so at some point. I'm sure the

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hard way usually the hard way

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Yeah through trial and error. So as Christmas Eve arrives

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Jack sets off. Okay in his makeshift sleigh

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This is not gonna be good ready to deliver his own brand of Christmas cheer to the

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world

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Oh boy buckle up, but things are about to go very very wrong

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I can't wait to see how this unfold you can't wait. I'm on the edge of my seat. All

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right

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This is gonna be good. Well, we'll see how it goes. All right, his gifts are

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terrifying to say the least

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Yeah, they're not bringing the Christmas cheer. He's spreading fear instead of

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cheer, right?

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But he's completely oblivious to the negative reaction. Yeah, he's just like

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getting it

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It's like he's seeing what he wants to see not what's actually happening. Yeah, and

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we've all been there

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I mean, we've all been there. Yeah, it's a great example of confirmation bias in

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action

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Oh, yeah, Jack is so convinced that his version of Christmas is fantastic that he

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ignores any evidence to the contrary

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Hmm. It's something we all need to watch out for yeah, especially when we're

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passionate about an idea, especially then

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You know, yeah, you got to be able to take a step back and be like, uh-huh. Is this

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really working?

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Yeah, it's this really what people want or am I just imposing my vision on everyone

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else totally food for thought

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Meanwhile Sally's frantically trying to Sally to the rescue undo the mess. Yeah,

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she knows this whole thing's a disaster

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Yeah, waiting to happen and is desperate to save both Santa and Jack. She sees the

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big picture from the consequences

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Yeah, she's trying to protect everyone right her bravery is admirable. Don't you

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think I do?

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I do. I think she's one of my favorite characters. He's awesome. Yeah, she's facing

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some serious dangers

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Yeah, huh to try to set things, right? Yeah, but unfortunately her rescue attempt

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leads her

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Oh, no right into the clutches of the villainous oogie-boogie poor Sally not oogie-boogie.

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She's the voice of reason

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I wrote this whole ordeal and constantly gets ignored. Yeah classic and now she's

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in a truly terrifying situation

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Boogie-boogie is bad news. It highlights the importance of speaking up

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It does even when your concerns aren't immediately acknowledged. What if people

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aren't listening right away Sally doesn't give up. No

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She keeps fighting the good fight even when it seems like no one is listening. That's

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the key, right?

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Sometimes that persistence and so it makes a difference in the end. That's a good

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point

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You never know who you might be influencing right by just continuing to speak your

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truth. Okay, so things

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Oh, here we go go from bad to worse. It's about to get worse when Jack's

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spooky sleigh

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Gets mistaken for a hostile target. Oh, no and shot down by of all things

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The military the military. Oh, no talk about a holiday surprise talk about a

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Christmas surprise, right?

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That's not the kind of surprise you want on Christmas Eve. Not the one you want. No

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It's a stark reminder of how good intentions can backfire when you don't consider

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the broader context

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That's all about perspective, right?

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I guess so like what might seem fun and festive to one group right could be

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perceived as a threat by another

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Jack's actions. Yeah, well meant to be festive. Uh-huh are perceived as a threat in

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the real world. Yeah, that's a good point, right?

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It's a powerful visual representation of that clash between his fantasy and reality

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It's like a collision of worlds a collision of worlds Halloween versus Christmas

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versus the real world

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thankfully

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Yeah, he survives the crash. Okay, good and lands in a graveyard

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Interesting which seems fitting given the circumstances

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I mean he is the pumpkin king it gives him a moment right to reflect on his actions

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the tombstones

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Amidst the symbols of his own world a little morbid, but hey, maybe it'll give him

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some clarity

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Maybe so it's a pivotal turning point in the story. It's surrounded by the familiar

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Yeah, Jack finally sees the error of his ways. He realizes it has an epiphany

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He's not meant to be Santa right that his true place is in Halloween town. He

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belongs in Halloween town and

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With that realization comes what comes a surge of determination. Okay, he ditches

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the Santa suit

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Good riddance reclaims his identity as the pumpkin king

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There he is and races back to Halloween town to set things right to set things

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right. It's a moment of redemption for Jack

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Yeah, he acknowledges his mistakes. Uh-huh takes responsibility and sets out to fix

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the mess

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He's created. It's a reminder that it's never too late. It's never too late to make

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amends, right?

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You can always try to make things right and that true leadership

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Yeah involves acknowledging our shortcomings owning up to your mistakes

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But remember there's a time crunch tick-tock tick-tock Santa's still captive. Oh,

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no

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Sally's in danger. Oh, man Christmas is on the verge of being ruined

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The stakes are high. So Jack has a lot to accomplish in very little time. He's got

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his work cut out for him

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He bursts into Oogie Boogie's lair. Oh showdown time ready to face this monstrous.

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Yeah gambling obsessed

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Oh, yeah, he loves to gamble boogie man in a final showdown. This is it

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It's a classic battle of good versus evil the ultimate showdown full of suspense

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and danger

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Edge of your seat moment, but Jack

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Yeah fueled by his desire to rescue Santa and Sally and redeem himself, right?

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He's got a lot of motivation uses his wits to defeat Oogie Boogie. He's gonna have

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to be smart about this

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He remembers that Oogie Boogie. Oh, yeah is literally held together by threads. He's

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just a bag of bugs

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Oh, yeah, they're by threats and uses that knowledge to unravel him. Oh, that's

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cloud sending those creepy crawlies scattering

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You it's a satisfying defeat. It is of a truly grotesque villain

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I mean, he's pretty gross right with Oogie Boogie out of the picture gone Jack

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freeze

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Santa and Sally they're safe. Talk about a holiday miracle. Wait, what a relief

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But there's still the issue of all those undelivered presents, right? Christmas is

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almost over

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Oh, no, Santa's got a hustle safely and as a professional

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He is got this the wave of his hand right and a sprinkle of that Christmas magic a

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little bit of Christmas magic goes a long

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Way sets off to deliver the gifts. He's on it and erase the traces of Jack's misguided

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attempts clean up crew

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It's a reminder that sometimes even after a major setback. Yeah

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There's still a chance for things to work out in the end. Hope Springs eternal and

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Jack

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Despite his disastrous Christmas escapade. Yeah is welcome back to Halloween town

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as a hero

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They're a forgiving bunch. They understand that his heart was in the right place.

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Uh-huh

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Even if his execution was a bit off, maybe the thought counts, right, right and

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they see his genuine remorse

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Yeah, and his willingness to make things right. He really wanted to make things

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right. There's a beautiful moment

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Tell me about it when Santa flies over Halloween town

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Okay as a gesture of forgiveness and understanding. That's nice. It highlights the

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shared spirit of celebration

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It does that unites both holidays despite their differences. That's beautiful. And

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then something truly magical happens

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What happens Santa gives Halloween town a gift a gift a gift a gift that perfectly

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embodies the wonder and joy of Christmas

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Don't tell me snow snow. I knew it. It's a transformative scene

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The spooky landscape of Halloween town is covered in a blanket of white

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Turning it into a winter wonderland. It's like a whole new world for them

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It's a new experience for the residents right a chance to embrace something

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different

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Yes step outside their comfort zone a little bit and embrace the unexpected. It

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symbolizes a fresh start

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It does a reminder that even in the darkest spookiest places. Mm-hmm. There can be

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light and joy

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That's a beautiful thought and for Jack. It's a chance to finally acknowledge his

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feelings for Sally. She's been waiting

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She's been there for him through it all. I know supporting him. Mm-hmm warning him

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Mm-hmm, and ultimately they're helping him find his way back. She's a true friend

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under the falling snow. Ah

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Their connection blossoms into something truly special love is in the air the

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lovely ending

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celebration of love it's except acceptance in the magic of the holiday season

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Beautiful. What a story, right? It certainly is it reminds us to embrace the

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unexpected

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To be open to new experiences. Yeah, and to find joy in the most unlikely of places

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Beautifully said and remember

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What's the reminder Safeserver will be on holiday break? Yeah until January 3rd,

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2025

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We need a break. We do. We've been working hard our next deep dive

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When is that will air on January 6th 2025 mark your calendar until then?

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We wish you all a wonderful. Yes, and joyous holiday season. Happy holidays

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everybody holidays

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Yeah, it's interesting how this story highlights. Uh-huh the importance of finding

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where you truly belong

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You know, absolutely Jack thought he wanted to be Santa right to bring Christmas to

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the world

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Yeah, but ultimately he realized his true passion lay in Halloween. Exactly

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it's a reminder that it's okay to explore different paths and try new things right

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it's also essential to be true to yourself and

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Embrace what makes you unique?

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It makes me think of that saying what's that? The grass isn't always greener on the

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other side. Oh, yeah

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That's a good one. Jack was so focused on what he thought was missing in his life.

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All right

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He wasn't appreciating. Yeah what he already had that he didn't appreciate the

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wonderful things

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He already had and that's something we can all relate to wouldn't you say? Oh for

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sure

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Sometimes we get so caught up. Yeah in wanting what we don't have

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instead of

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Appreciating the good the good things in our own lives. Yeah, and Sally's character.

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Sally is so inspiring

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She is she stayed true to herself

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Throughout the entire story even when she was afraid. Yeah, she's got courage. She

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spoke up

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Took risks. Mm-hmm and ultimately played a key role in saving the day. She's a true

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hero

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She is she embodies courage. She does intuition and unwavering loyalty

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She's a reminder that we should trust our instincts right and stand up for what we

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believe in even when it's difficult

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Even when it's difficult. All right, so as we wrap up this deep dive into the

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nightmare before Christmas

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What do you think is the most important takeaway? Oh, that's a good question for

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our listeners

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Um for me, it's a reminder to embrace the spirit of the season

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Yeah, no matter how you celebrate. Mm-hmm. It's about finding joy in the unexpected

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connecting with loved ones and

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Appreciating the magic that surrounds us beautifully said. Thank you. And remember

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Safeserver will be on holiday break

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We will until January 3rd, 2025. That's right a little time to recharge our next

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deep dive

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Yes, will air on January 6th, 2025 can't wait until then

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Yeah, we wish you all a wonderful and absolute and joyous holiday season. Happy

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holidays everybody. Happy holidays everyone