Today's Deep-Dive: Onetime Secret
Ep. 333

Today's Deep-Dive: Onetime Secret

Episode description

The permanence paradox describes the digital reality where information, once shared, never truly disappears, creating permanent records in server logs, backups, and devices. This deep dive explores ephemeral secrets, specifically using the tool ‘one-time secret,’ as a solution to this digital permanence. One-time secret provides a simple, secure mechanism for sharing sensitive information, like passwords or API keys, via a single-use link. When the link is clicked, the data is viewed and then permanently erased from the server, offering users control over their data’s lifecycle. This ephemeral nature reduces the liability of sensitive information lingering in insecure places like email or chat logs. While this raises questions about compliance and audit trails, the focus shifts from auditing content to ensuring secure sharing methods. The system employs layered security, including server-side encryption and optional passphrase protection, ensuring data remains unreadable even if the server is compromised. The open-source nature of the code allows for community auditing, fostering trust through transparency. The tool can be accessed via a web interface or integrated into workflows through its API, with options for self-hosting for greater control. Key technical aspects include a fast application framework like Ruby and a high-speed key-value store like Redis, with critical emphasis on a strong, securely generated persistent secret key and the mandatory use of HTTPS. The ephemeral secret space includes competitors like Proton URL, PW push, and scree.link, each offering different features for various use cases. Ultimately, ephemeral secret tools empower users to reintroduce ephemerality into their digital data, regaining control over sensitive information. A thought-provoking aspect is the use of AI tools in the development of such security software, prompting reflection on whether this enhances or diminishes trust in the tool.

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Welcome to the deep dive where we cut through the noise get right to the source and

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deliver the knowledge

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Directly to you today. We're digging into something that well, I think affects

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everyone. It really does

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We're talking about the permanence paradox. Yeah, this this digital reality where

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nothing ever truly disappears

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You know the drill right there. You need to send a password. Maybe an API key to a

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co-worker. Yep. So where does it go?

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slack teams

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Email and in that moment you think it's easy

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You think it's fast, but you've just created a permanent record a permanent paper

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trail

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That data is now sitting in server logs in backups. It's probably on a dozen

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devices

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It just never dies never truly goes away

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Okay

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Let's unpack this the whole point of this deep dive is to look at a surprisingly

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simple solution the one-time link or an ephemeral secret

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Exactly. We're giving you a beginner's blueprint for understanding how this tech

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offers a cure for that digital permanence, right?

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But before we jump into the secure protocols

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We just want to take a moment to thank the partner who makes this entire deep dive

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So our mission today really is to focus on this idea of secure

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Ephemeral sharing we're using a tool called one time secret as our main example and

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for you the listener

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It doesn't matter if you're a developer or just someone sharing the Wi-Fi password

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with a friend

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The goal is to show you how this technology keeps your sensitive info out of those

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really risky places like your chat logs and your inbox

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right and the whole idea behind one time secret is just

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It's brilliantly simple, isn't it? It's designed to kill that digital risk. But the

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question is how how does it actually make something?

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Well ephemeral. Yes. How does it really disappear? The mechanism is it's both

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secure and you know

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elegantly simple a one-time secret is just delivered via a link a single use URL a

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single use URL

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But here's the crucial part

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The data isn't just sitting naked in the link the second the person on the other

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end

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Clicks it and views the information the system triggers a self-destruct sequence.

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It's permanently erased from the server the aha

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Moment there isn't just about security. It's it's about control. I think yes, you

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get control back over how long your data lives

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You share it it's used and then it's just gone. That's the key

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It's secure one-time message sharing in a world where every company is archiving

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every email for years

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And data breaches are a weekly thing

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This gives data a temporary existence is just removes the liability of having a

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password sitting in an email from you know

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Five years ago, but wait a second if the data is deleted forever the moment it's

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viewed

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Doesn't that create a headache for companies? What about compliance an audit trail

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exactly?

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How can a company prove anything about their secure communications if the message

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is just vanish?

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That's a really important question. The focus of a tool like this isn't on auditing

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the content

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It's on making sure that content can't be audited by a bad actor later on

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So the trade-off is maximum security over long-term retention

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so the audit trail changes from what was the password to

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Did we use a secure method to share a secret at this specific time?

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Precisely. Okay. Here's where it gets really interesting for me if we're trusting a

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web service with this

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What's protecting that self-destructing message before anyone even clicks the link?

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It's all about a layered security stack

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So first the fundamental layer is what we just talked about the message is

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Temporary it deletes after being viewed or after a certain amount of time, right?

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And second before it's even viewed it's protected by strong server-side encryption

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meaning even if the server itself gets compromised

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The data is just encrypted junk. It's useless without the keys and then for anyone

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who's extra diligent

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You can add passphrase protection. So you're putting a password on the password

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link essentially

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Yeah, you're putting a lock on the unique link itself. So you're not just relying

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on the link being secret

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You're relying on actual cryptography and you mentioned time limits. Can users set

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those themselves?

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Absolutely, the system has

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Customizable expiration. So if you know, your colleague is only gonna check it in

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the next hour

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You can set the secret to expire in 60 minutes

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Which stops the link from just floating out there in the ether forever if they

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ignore it exactly now with any security tool trust is

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Well, it's everything

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How do we know we can actually trust the code when we're giving it our most

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sensitive info?

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Well that kind of trust demands transparency and what's really fascinating here is

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that the code base is completely open source

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Okay, that's huge. It's critical for security tools. It means the entire global

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security community can audit the code

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They can check the cryptography they can find bugs before they become a problem

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So you aren't just trusting one company you're trusting the eyes of thousands of

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experts. That's the idea

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So for you the beginner listener the easiest way in is the web interface, right?

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It's the fastest way to just generate a secret

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You can even try it out at one time secret comm and see for yourself how it works

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That's the perfect starting point

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But this tool is also built for you know for scale and for integration for more

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advanced use, right?

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If you're building this into a business workflow

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You can use the API a rest API that lets you automatically generate these secure

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links right from your own apps

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A lot of security conscious companies would probably want to host this themselves

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though, right instead of using a public website

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Oh, absolutely self-hosting gives you the most control and the configuration is

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really flexible

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What do you mean? For example a company could disable the web interface entirely

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forcing everyone to go through an authenticated API

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Or just require authentication for anyone who wants to create a secret exactly you

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get total control

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And what does that look like on the technical side? We don't need to get into the

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weeds

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But what are the basic parts needed to run something like this? Well to handle all

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that creating and

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You know instant deleting of secrets you need a fast application framework

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the sources say it's built on Ruby and it's backed by a really high speed key value

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store something like Redis is

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Perfect for holding on to those secrets for a few minutes or hours before they're

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flushed forever

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The source documentation had a pretty stark warning about something called a

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persistent secret key

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What's the critical takeaway there for anyone running their own instance that

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secret key?

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It's the absolute foundation of your deployment security has to be a long

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Random securely generated a key and you generate it once and back it up somewhere

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safe

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You have to if you lose that key you could lose access

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But even worse if it's weak or it gets compromised all that server-side encryption

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is basically worthless

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Wow, and there's another non-negotiable rule for any production deployment. You

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have to set SSL to true

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You have to read it over HTTPS

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You must running a security tool that handles passwords over the open internet

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without encryption. It

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Completely defeats the whole purpose. It's a powerful reminder, isn't it?

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Oh, the best security tool in the world can be defeated by one bad configuration

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choice

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Absolutely. Now if we zoom out a bit and connect this to the bigger picture

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One time secret isn't working in a vacuum, right? It's part of a whole ecosystem of

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these tools a really dynamic

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Growing ecosystem. They're all trying to solve the same problem

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Email and chat are just not safe for sensitive data

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So to give you the listener some context on the market, we did look at a few other

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services in this space

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For example, there's Proton URL. Mm-hmm. It's designed for simplicity and it's

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available in 15 languages

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Which really shows you this is a global problem. Then you have something more

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specialized like PW push

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It's really focused on passwords for IT teams

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It uses browser cookies and self-destructing links for that specific use case and

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for users who need you know, extreme anonymity

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There's service called scree T dot link, right?

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That one's aimed at say journalists or whistleblowers where the privacy of the sender

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is just as important as the security of the message

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We also saw one called crypto John that one's interesting because it goes beyond

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just sharing

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It includes a secret generator a password generator. Well, it's more like a little

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security toolkit

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And just to show how broad this field is the sources even mentioned team password,

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which is a bit different

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That's more of a team password manager. Yeah, it's for collaborative storage, but

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it highlights the same core issue

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People are desperate to get passwords out of their inboxes and we have to add a

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critical thinking point here

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The sources are really clear that listing these competitors doesn't mean they

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endorse them. It's just for context, right?

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Whenever you are handling sensitive information, you have to do your own research

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You have to do your due diligence on whatever service you choose. So what does this

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all mean?

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I think the big takeaway here is one of empowerment. I don't grow this idea that

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our digital data is permanent

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It doesn't have to be a given

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Tools like this. Let us bring back ephemerality when and where we need it. It gives

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you control over the lifecycle of your secrets

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Exactly, and you know, this leads to a really fascinating final thought for you to

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explore

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The sources are surprisingly open about this the development of the one-time secret

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software was done with help from AI tools

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specifically Claude Google Gemini and

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GitHub copilot Wow, okay for security application for security application and the

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developer chose to be transparent about it

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so the question to think about is

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Considering that security relies on trust and human verification. Hmm does knowing

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that AI help generate the code for a security tool

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Does that increase your confidence in it?

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Or does it decrease it that is definitely something to chew on especially as AI

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gets baked into?

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Well, everything it's a big question for the future of software development and a

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perfect place to end

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Thank you for joining us on this deep dive into ephemeral secrets our pleasure safe

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server committee

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Thanks for listening. We'll see you next time

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Thanks for listening. We'll see you next time