Today's Deep-Dive: PrivateBin
Ep. 15

Today's Deep-Dive: PrivateBin

Episode description

Private Bin is a tool for securely sharing sensitive information online through end-to-end encryption. It ensures that data is encrypted in your browser before it reaches the server, guaranteeing zero knowledge by the server of the actual content. It supports not just text but also files and self-destructing messages. Users can add extra security layers like passwords and expiration settings. Though secure, trust in the server host is vital, and for maximum safety, hosting your own instance is recommended.

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All right. So today we're diving into something pretty cool. Um,

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we're talking digital secrets, encrypted messages, that sort of thing,

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you know,

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really taking online privacy up a notch with this thing called private bin.

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And you know what you sent over a whole bunch of articles and docs on this.

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It's impressive. Looks like we're going deep on this one.

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Yeah, absolutely. We've got stuff from GitHub, their actual website,

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private bins. I mean, even an article from, uh,

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Microsoft. It's a mouthful. I know.

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But the point is all of this is going to really help us, you know,

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give everyone a clear picture of what we're dealing with.

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I like it. I like it. No time to waste them. Right. You mentioned earlier,

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I think it was you wanting a way to share sensitive stuff online without,

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you know, the whole world watching. That's where private bin comes in. Yeah.

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Their whole thing is that the server has zero knowledge of pasted data.

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That's their big promise. Zero knowledge of pasted data. Okay.

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That sounds like seriously secure, but how does that actually work? Okay.

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So imagine this a digital lock box, right? But here's the kicker.

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Even the lock box has no clue what's inside. That's private bin in a nutshell.

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Yeah. It all boils down to this thing called,

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you've probably heard of it end to end encryption and to end encryption. Yeah.

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Remind me again, how that works. Basically, it's like this, your data,

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whatever you're sharing, it gets all scrambled up into unreadable code.

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And they use this super strong encryption. It's like 256 bit,

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AES encryption, top-notch stuff. But here's the key, literally. Yeah.

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The scrambling, it all happens in your browser before it even gets near private

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bin servers. So the server, it just sees what? Like a jumbled mess.

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That's how they can say zero knowledge. Exactly. It's like sending a postcard,

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right? But it's written in code. Yeah.

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Only you and the person you're sending it to have the key.

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So even if someone intercepts it, it's just gibberish to them.

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So even if like the server admins,

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even if they wanted to take a peek or if someone made them legally,

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they couldn't because there's nothing actually there.

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That's the beauty of it. This whole ignorance is bliss concept.

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It's like next level protection. Seriously. Okay.

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Now I'm starting to get why this is such a big deal. This isn't just for like,

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you know, spies and secret agents.

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This is about protecting any kind of info you don't want just flirting around

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out there. Exactly. We're talking passwords, financial stuff,

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even just a private message. You know, that article you sent,

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the one from gazelle shaft. Yeah. Well,

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they had a perfect example like sharing super important password with someone,

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someone who's not exactly tech savvy. Oh, tell me about it.

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It's like trying to explain the internet to, I don't know, my grandparents.

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So in that situation, private bin would be a lifesaver.

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So walk me through it. Pretend I'm like five years old.

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Let's say I want to share that password. What do I do? Okay.

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So you go to a private bin instance, they've got public ones online,

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or you can even host your own. If you want to be extra safe,

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you paste whatever you want to share right there in the text box and get this.

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You can even add a password on top of everything else or even set it to expire,

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you know, like a self-destructing message, like in the movies. Okay.

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So far so good, but how does the other person actually read it? Ah,

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that's where it gets really clever. They use the URL private bin hides the key

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right there in the link. So when you send it,

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their browser automatically uses that key to unlock the message.

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It all just like happens.

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Oh, so that's why you wouldn't want to share that link publicly,

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unless it's got a password on it. Exactly.

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Otherwise it's like leaving that lock box wide open for anyone. Okay.

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This is all making sense. Now we've got the encryption, the zero knowledge,

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the self-destructing messages, but let's talk tech for a sec.

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I keep hearing about JavaScript. Like it's the secret ingredient here.

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You're right. JavaScript is like the engine of the whole thing.

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Private bin uses it to encrypt your data in the browser before it goes

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anywhere near a server.

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That's how they make sure the server only ever sees scrambled code makes it way

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harder to snoop.

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So JavaScript it's like the magic spell that makes it all work.

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And this all happens what right here in my browser.

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I always thought encryption was something that happened on like super computers

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somewhere. That's what most people think. Yeah. It's important to remember.

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While the server has its own security private bin,

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it's all about client side encryption. That means all the hard work,

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the encrypting and decrypting.

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It happens right here in your browser thanks to JavaScript.

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That actually makes a lot of sense. So how does this JavaScript magic,

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how does it actually play out in the real world? Okay. So picture this, right?

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You type something into private bin and boom,

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your browser turns it into that secret code, all thanks to JavaScript.

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And only then after it's all scrambled up,

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that's when it goes to the private bin server.

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So it's like putting your message in one of those super secure envelopes before

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it even leaves your house. Exactly. And then on the other side,

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when someone wants to read it, their browser does its thing, uses JavaScript again,

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grabs that key from the URL and bam, message decrypted.

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All happens right there. No extra windows or anything.

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You know,

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this is making me think about all the other cool stuff private bin can do all

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those options. We talked about passwords and those self-destructing messages,

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but what else can you tweak? Oh, tons of stuff.

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Like did you even know you can share files on private bin? Not just text.

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Wait, really? I thought it was just for quick messages, snippets, code,

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that kind of thing. Nope. All kinds of files, pictures, videos, documents,

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seriously, anything you can upload. And the best part,

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it's all encrypted the same way. Client side, JavaScript,

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the whole nine yards. So it's like a, what do you call it? A secure drop box,

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but for anything that's seriously useful. What about like formatting?

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Can you make it look nice? Oh, for sure. They've got marked down, you know,

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for headings and lists and stuff, even code snippets. And get this,

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if you want to get fancy, they have different themes for the website.

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You can customize how it looks. Okay. So it's secure. It's flexible.

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You can even make it pretty. Sounds almost too good to be true,

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but I got to ask you always say to be careful with this online stuff.

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Are there any downsides to private bin we should know about?

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Well, you're right to be cautious. There's no such thing as perfect security,

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right? Private bin is strong. Don't get me wrong,

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but there are a couple of things like remember how he said JavaScript is like

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the heart of the encryption. Well, like anything it's got its limits.

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Like what, what kind of limits are we talking about?

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So as awesome as JavaScript is the way private bin uses it,

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it means you got to trust the people running the server, at least a little,

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someone who's really determined and knows what they're doing.

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They could mess with the code, you know, try to break the encryption. Okay.

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That's a little scary. So how do you like protect yourself from that?

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That's why it's so important to use a private bin instance. You actually trust.

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You want one that's been around, has a good reputation,

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do your research basically. So don't just go to the first one you find. Got it.

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But what if you want to be like a hundred percent sure no one's mess with the

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card? If you're really serious about security,

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you can always set up your own private bin. That way you control everything.

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Right? You know, the code is clean. Yeah, that makes sense.

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But that's probably more for like techie people, right?

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What about us regular folks using the public ones?

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Any red flags we should watch out for? Totally.

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Always look for that little padlock thing in your browser. You know,

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HTTPS. That means the connection is encrypted.

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So at least no one's snooping on you while you're on the site.

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HTTPS good, no HTTPS bad. Simple enough. Anything else we should be checking.

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That's where those FAQs come in. Seriously, they're a gold mine. For example,

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you know, you can actually use private bin with CloudFlare.

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With CloudFlare? Seriously, I thought they were like the middleman always listening

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in. How does that even work with the whole end to end encryption thing?

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That's a good question. Need to set it up just right. The FAQs,

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they tell you exactly how to configure CloudFlare so it doesn't mess with

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private bins code. If you don't do it right,

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CloudFlare could accidentally break the encryption. Can you believe that?

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Wow. So many little details.

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It's kind of crazy how something so simple to use needs so much work behind the

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scenes. Anything else in those FAQs that caught your eye?

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Oh yeah, definitely. They mentioned something about read only private bin instances.

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You can't do it by default, but with a few tweaks on the server,

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you can make it so people can only read the stuff, not create new pastes.

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Read only private bin. Why would you even want that?

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Imagine you're like a journalist, right? And you need to share something publicly,

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but it's sensitive or a researcher with some data or read only instance.

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It's perfect. People can see what's there, but they can't change it or delete it.

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That's pretty clever. Actually sounds like private bin can be used for almost

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anything. That's the beauty of it. It's so flexible.

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And you got to hand it to the people who made it.

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They really thought of everything.

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So we've covered a lot, like a lot, how private then works,

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why trust matters, even some of those cool extra features.

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As we're wrapping up this part,

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any big takeaways our listeners should keep in mind about private then the really

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important stuff.

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Totally. It's a lot to keep track of. It's like,

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they give you this super powerful tool, but you have to be so careful not to,

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you know, leave the keys lying around or something.

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That's a great way to put it.

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And that actually brings us to maybe the most important thing to remember about

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private then you got to know what you're doing, right?

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Understand how those URLs work, why picking the right instance matters,

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even just knowing that the server might be keeping logs, that kind of thing.

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That's what'll keep you safe.

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A hundred percent. It's not about just blindly trusting something.

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It's about knowing how it ticks and making smart decisions about your own

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security. And speaking of smart decisions,

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there was this one thing in the private bin stuff. It really jumped out at me.

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They actually say straight up JavaScript encryption is not secure.

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Yeah, that's what got me too. It's like, wait a minute,

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isn't that like their whole thing? They use JavaScript for everything. Right.

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It seems kind of strange, doesn't it? So why would they say that?

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It doesn't really make sense. Honestly,

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I think it shows they're trying to be honest. Like they know nothing is perfect.

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Or even private then they're not saying don't use it,

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but they want you to like know the risks, know what you're getting into.

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So it's about finding that balance, right. Convenience, security,

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how much you trust the people behind the curtain. It's complicated. Exactly.

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It's all about finding what works for you, for your situation,

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which brings us back to what you were saying before. Knowledge is power.

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The more you know about this stuff, the better choices you can make.

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Couldn't have said it better myself. And that's what I love about these deep dives.

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We're not just scratching the surface.

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We're getting people thinking about online privacy, security,

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all that good stuff. It's important. So true.

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We use all these online tools,

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but most of us have no idea what's really going on under the hood. Right.

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And with something like private bin where it's your most sensitive info on the

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line, you had to be extra careful, extra aware.

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It's like, I don't know, learning to drive. You don't need to be a mechanic,

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but knowing the basics, how to check your oil,

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that kind of thing makes you a better, safer driver.

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Perfect analogy. And on that note,

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maybe one last thing for our listeners to think about as they go forth and

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explore private bin, explore the whole world of online privacy.

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We talked about choosing the right instance, watching out for red flags,

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all that, but it makes you wonder, how do we make this kind of security,

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this level of protection? How do we make it for everyone?

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Even if you're not a tech wizard,

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how do we bridge that gap between like super strong security and something

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that's actually easy to use, especially in a world where let's be honest,

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not everyone gets tech the same way.

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That is the million dollar question because at the end of the day,

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the more of us who care about privacy, about security,

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the better it is for everyone. Right? So, you know,

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we'll leave everyone with that thought.

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That about wraps up our deep dive into the wild world of Private Bin.

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stay safe out there.

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stay safe out there.